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1 minute ago, BornHoosier said:

Will say that from HS to Big Ten competition you won’t have that extra timing to get a shot off clean & that could def lead to a release issue.  In the AAU vid he looked confident and the shot flowed but did not see much of that at IU.  Here’s to AD gaining that confidence every shooter needs be successful.  

Yep yep yep. Timing is a big deal. It’s hard to analyze shooting and especially for me bc im a data guy but also was a shooter and it’s eeally a you got it or you don’t thing I think.

al can push the mid 30s tho and that’s just fine on non volume shooters (aka your role is shooting only).

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9 minutes ago, ADegenerate said:

Yep yep yep. Timing is a big deal. It’s hard to analyze shooting and especially for me bc im a data guy but also was a shooter and it’s eeally a you got it or you don’t thing I think.

al can push the mid 30s tho and that’s just fine on non volume shooters (aka your role is shooting only).

Tim will tell because if you can shoot, you will adjust to the comp level.  

I just don’t see his game as an outside threat but more of an around the basket layup type player.  His length creates mismatches which would be a valuable asset to this Hoosier team.  

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9 minutes ago, BornHoosier said:

Tim will tell because if you can shoot, you will adjust to the comp level.  

I just don’t see his game as an outside threat but more of an around the basket layup type player.  His length creates mismatches which would be a valuable asset to this Hoosier team.  

I agree. We’re really freerolling here. If he can threaten 35% and up then we’ve got another Crean diamond in the rough type player here with Archie’s spin on him. Awesome combo. 

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10 hours ago, ADegenerate said:

I really don’t want to be a contrarian but Troy shoots in the 20s at the nba level and vic 35. Shooting is a different beast. It’s usually just a specailist trait so I see how me and born see eye to eye.

Easy to be a contrarian when you misstate their stats, lol.

Vic: 

37% 2017-18 -- 40% in the playoffs

36% 2016-17

He last shot 35% in 2015-16, that was kind of long ago, and reflects his continuing outside shooting development, which is the point.

Troy:

His NBA stats are harder to track because he's been moved from team to team, and his numbers on certain teams are on very limited shots where the sample size doesn't mean much. So

2016-17 with Rockets - 38%, but on 21 shots

2016-17 with Memphis - 25%, but on 41 shots. 

Neither tells you much, it's not enough of a sample size. He killed it the prior summer which led to his gig in Memphis.

2017-18 with Knicks - 33% but on 33 shots.

To say he shoots in the 20's is just misleading. 

You just ignored what he did at IU:

2015-16: 35% on 75 3-pointers. That's obviously a reflection of what he actually shoots.

2014-15 - 46% on  just 13 shots.

2013-14 - 20% on 29 shots.

Both clearly developed their shooting from the arc, both are now respectable 3-point shooters.

 

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If you're looking for guys like Vic, Troy or Al to put up shooting percentages that compare to guys that are spot up shooters you're going to be disappointed. It's a lot harder to shoot on the move and pulling up than it is standing in the corner and having the ball swung or kicked out to you. 

Darren Collison made 5% more threes than Steph Curry. It's not because of sample size and certainly not because Collison is a better shooter; it's because of the type of shots they are getting. I'm not even convinced Collison, who led the league in three point shooting, is a better shooter than Vic. 

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3 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

Easy to be a contrarian when you misstate their stats, lol.

Vic: 

37% 2017-18 -- 40% in the playoffs

36% 2016-17

He last shot 35% in 2015-16, that was kind of long ago, and reflects his continuing outside shooting development, which is the point.

Troy:

His NBA stats are harder to track because he's been moved from team to team, and his numbers on certain teams are on very limited shots where the sample size doesn't mean much. So

2016-17 with Rockets - 38%, but on 21 shots

2016-17 with Memphis - 25%, but on 41 shots. 

Neither tells you much, it's not enough of a sample size. He killed it the prior summer which led to his gig in Memphis.

2017-18 with Knicks - 33% but on 33 shots.

To say he shoots in the 20's is just misleading. 

You just ignored what he did at IU:

2015-16: 35% on 75 3-pointers. That's obviously a reflection of what he actually shoots.

2014-15 - 46% on  just 13 shots.

2013-14 - 20% on 29 shots.

Both clearly developed their shooting from the arc, both are now respectable 3-point shooters.

 

I didn’t misstate their stats though. Troy shoots 29% for his career in the league and finished with %32 at Indiana. That’s not respectable that’s below average and bad at the nba level. That’s a 5 year sample. 

Vic is a different beast though. He’s taking more shots, tougher shots, and getting better every year but still shoots it at 35% for his career. If you take a look at his progression you’ll see that he started at 32 and jumped up to 37. If he can threaten 40 for the next few years then he’ll probably be 1st team all-nba level.

I stand by the Al comments. His base is so low at 29% (and he was taking his fair amount of shots for his mpg) that I doubt we’ll see any major jumps. 5% improvement is what I’m looking for and even that is a pretty soginificamf jump to make in 1 year. I think he’s a gym rat and knows that if wants significant minutes then he needs that 3 point shot in his arsenal. I don’t know enough about the kid to say if that 29% was a blip or close to his actual level but it’s probably the latter. 

@KoB2011 is right though. Al isn’t a spot up shooter so expecting him to be a knockdown specialist isn’t going to happen. His length + IQ are his strengths imo.

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2 hours ago, ADegenerate said:

I didn’t misstate their stats though. Troy shoots 29% for his career in the league and finished with %32 at Indiana. That’s not respectable that’s below average and bad at the nba level. That’s a 5 year sample. 

Vic is a different beast though. He’s taking more shots, tougher shots, and getting better every year but still shoots it at 35% for his career. If you take a look at his progression you’ll see that he started at 32 and jumped up to 37. If he can threaten 40 for the next few years then he’ll probably be 1st team all-nba level.

I stand by the Al comments. His base is so low at 29% (and he was taking his fair amount of shots for his mpg) that I doubt we’ll see any major jumps. 5% improvement is what I’m looking for and even that is a pretty soginificamf jump to make in 1 year. I think he’s a gym rat and knows that if wants significant minutes then he needs that 3 point shot in his arsenal. I don’t know enough about the kid to say if that 29% was a blip or close to his actual level but it’s probably the latter. 

@KoB2011 is right though. Al isn’t a spot up shooter so expecting him to be a knockdown specialist isn’t going to happen. His length + IQ are his strengths imo.

Oh come on now, the whole point was improvement in three-point shooting, which the above-quoted stats clearly show. Troy shot 35% on 75 shots in his last year at IU. The simple fact is that is marked improvement. His numbers at the NBA level, as I already pointed out, are on very limited shots, they show little. And yes, Vic is obviously getting better consistently, from the arc, again that's the point.

And especially in the context of talking about whether a guy like Al can improve AT IU, you can't just disregard the improvement that both Vic and Troy showed -- AT IU. When you get to the next level you're facing the best players in the world. Both improved significantly, during their IU careers, with more experience and development at the college level, and clearly for Vic, it has continued at the NBA level, after starting out shooting lower early, again facing NBA players, but improving as he continued to work on his outside shooting at that level. Troy is harder to judge, there just isn't enough volume to make that call, at the NBA level, but there is clearly plenty, on 75 shots, to say his shot improved significantly at IU.

You have no idea if Al will improve. Seriously.

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1 hour ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

Oh come on now, the whole point was improvement in three-point shooting, which the above-quoted stats clearly show. Troy shot 35% on 75 shots in his last year at IU. The simple fact is that is marked improvement. His numbers at the NBA level, as I already pointed out, are on very limited shots, they show little. And yes, Vic is obviously getting better consistently, from the arc, again that's the point.

And especially in the context of talking about whether a guy like Al can improve AT IU, you can't just disregard the improvement that both Vic and Troy showed -- AT IU. When you get to the next level you're facing the best players in the world. Both improved significantly, during their IU careers, with more experience and development at the college level, and clearly for Vic, it has continued at the NBA level, after starting out shooting lower early, again facing NBA players, but improving as he continued to work on his outside shooting at that level. Troy is harder to judge, there just isn't enough volume to make that call, at the NBA level, but there is clearly plenty, on 75 shots, to say his shot improved significantly at IU.

You have no idea if Al will improve. Seriously.

Adding to that, as Vic and Troy's 3 point % improves, NBA defenses WILL take note.  Not that defenses were lax on those guys, just very early in their careers defenses encouraged them to take the lower % 3-ball.  I know everyone knows this, my point is it gets increasingly difficult to improve a player's 3 pt fieldgoal % as defenses take note of a player's change.  Which to me shows increased focus and work to add that skill to their game despite increased difficulty.

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22 minutes ago, The Daily Hoosier said:

Our take on where TJD's recruitment stands after going through all of latest news, notes and interviews.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/is-trayce-jackson-davis-the-next-in-state-5-star-headed-to-iu-hoosier-fans-will-need-to-be-patient/

Wow what a great article yet again! You write such great respectful unbiased articles and I wish everyone in the media was as good and unbiased as you!

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1 hour ago, The Daily Hoosier said:

Our take on where TJD's recruitment stands after going through all of latest news, notes and interviews.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/is-trayce-jackson-davis-the-next-in-state-5-star-headed-to-iu-hoosier-fans-will-need-to-be-patient/

Love that his interest has gone up because Juwan killed it last year.  Great article!

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3 hours ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

Wow what a great article yet again! You write such great respectful unbiased articles and I wish everyone in the media was as good and unbiased as you!

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I was looking for a blushing emoji but had to settle for this.  I really appreciate the feedback.  I'll take constructive feedback or story ideas too.  I have a long way to go here, although I think I already have Kravitz beat ;)

 

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31 minutes ago, The Daily Hoosier said:

:cheers:

I was looking for a blushing emoji but had to settle for this.  I really appreciate the feedback.  I'll take constructive feedback or story ideas too.  I have a long way to go here, although I think I already have Kravitz beat ;)

 

Thanks for all your incredible news stories about our Hoosiers. Much appreciated and yeah, I think you have Kravitz beat by a mile!!

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On 5/15/2018 at 9:53 PM, btownqb said:

Damezi.. at this point in time is absolutely more of a "guard" than Hunter. He's a better ball handler and pretty sure he is a tad quicker. Hunter might, MIGHT play some 2. I don't see it happening. We are not in trouble if Al is the 2 guard in 2019, he wont be, but we won't be in trouble. Remember ppl do develop. 

Romeo stays:

2019- 1. RP 2. DG 3. Romeo 

If he doesn't- 1. RP 2. DG 3. TBD 

Have you watched any of Hunter?  He’s absolutely more of a guard than Anderson.  He actually handles the ball and takes people off of the dribble, all at 6’7”.  CAM has even said that Hunter will play the 2.  Obviously he will probably slide over to the 3 with Romeo on board, but CAM said that before Romeo’s commitment.  Hunter wasn’t ranked the 49th best prospect in the nation for nothing.  People are sleeping on him and I’m not sure why.

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37 minutes ago, StLHoosier said:

Have you watched any of Hunter?  He’s absolutely more of a guard than Anderson.  He actually handles the ball and takes people off of the dribble, all at 6’7”.  CAM has even said that Hunter will play the 2.  Obviously he will probably slide over to the 3 with Romeo on board, but CAM said that before Romeo’s commitment.  Hunter wasn’t ranked the 49th best prospect in the nation for nothing.  People are sleeping on him and I’m not sure why.

I fully agree with you. Anderson is a 3 and more of a stretch 4 than a 2 at this point in time, he doesn't have good handles right now. I think some people look at his size and assume he can play guard and while I'm sure that's the goal, CAM has never said he sees Anderson as a guard like he has for Hunter. 

I also don't understand why people are sleeping on Hunter. I feel like even before Romeo committed Hunter wasn't getting enough attention. Smith had a very good impact last year as a freshman and Hunter is ranked higher. I don't think Hunter will start but will get a lot of PT as a freshman. 

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1 hour ago, StLHoosier said:

Have you watched any of Hunter?  He’s absolutely more of a guard than Anderson.  He actually handles the ball and takes people off of the dribble, all at 6’7”.  CAM has even said that Hunter will play the 2.  Obviously he will probably slide over to the 3 with Romeo on board, but CAM said that before Romeo’s commitment.  Hunter wasn’t ranked the 49th best prospect in the nation for nothing.  People are sleeping on him and I’m not sure why.

I have watched a ton of them. I watched them play against each other and Hunter is way more of a college 4 at this point than he is a college 2. And Anderson is a 2 or 3... because the 2 and the 3 are the exact same position. 

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