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2 hours ago, Billingsley99 said:

10 more years of college basketball and he still would not be able to compete. 

 

More reason to stay and play college basketball and get your degree.  You can always go over seas and play pro ball there but you only have a short period to play college basketball.

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2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

More reason to stay and play college basketball and get your degree.  You can always go over seas and play pro ball there but you only have a short period to play college basketball.

Why not do both. Collect 20 million go back get your degree and then work the rest of your life if you want. I would trade my college experience my degree and I would do the laundry clean the floor and carry everyone's luggage to be the last guy on an NBA team playing the game I love. 

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2 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

Why not do both. Collect 20 million go back get your degree and then work the rest of your life if you want. I would trade my college experience my degree and I would do the laundry clean the floor and carry everyone's luggage to be the last guy on an NBA team playing the game I love. 

Not me, rather get my college basketball experience then move on to the pro but that is just me.

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Just now, IU Scott said:

Not me, rather get my college basketball experience then move on to the pro but that is just me.

There is no guarantee the opportunity would still he there. If your goal is to be a D1 player then I might see your point of view, but if your goal is the NBA no way do I agree with you. 

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1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said:

There is no guarantee the opportunity would still he there. If your goal is to be a D1 player then I might see your point of view, but if your goal is the NBA no way do I agree with you. 

I just looked at TJ Leaf's contract and it was only for a guaranteed 7.4 million so I don't know where you got the 20 mil from.  Also you should watch Jalen Roses podcast talking about what every young athlete should know before turning pro.  He talked about how you think you are getting all of this money but after taxes and all of you other expenses it is not as much as you think.  He said you have to pay your agent, then you have a business manager and a lawyer plus others like trainers and nutritionist  He then went into all of your old friends who you will feel like you have to take care of since they were there for you before you were rich..

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6 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

He then went into all of your old friends who you will feel like you have to take care of since they were there for you before you were rich..

That's the one that kills most athletes...

Family? Yes...Friends? Come on man...

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55 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I just looked at TJ Leaf's contract and it was only for a guaranteed 7.4 million so I don't know where you got the 20 mil from.  Also you should watch Jalen Roses podcast talking about what every young athlete should know before turning pro.  He talked about how you think you are getting all of this money but after taxes and all of you other expenses it is not as much as you think.  He said you have to pay your agent, then you have a business manager and a lawyer plus others like trainers and nutritionist  He then went into all of your old friends who you will feel like you have to take care of since they were there for you before you were rich..

I dont have time or care enough to look up leafs contract. Just a random number that a majority of first rounders make in their career.  Comparing Rose and Leafs background are crazy. For a guy like Iverson this is true for guys from middle to upper class not so true. The social norms of the classes are not comparable. 

The goal for a career is to reach the pinnacle 

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4 hours ago, IU Scott said:

Not me, rather get my college basketball experience then move on to the pro but that is just me.

 

3 hours ago, Billingsley99 said:

There is no guarantee the opportunity would still he there. If your goal is to be a D1 player then I might see your point of view, but if your goal is the NBA no way do I agree with you. 

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If basketball doesn't work out for Leaf (and he probably will be able to carve out a career overseas, spending his 20s living in some beautiful place make high 6 or low 7 figures) an athlete like him would have no problem transitioning to a 6 figure sales role, coaching, or many other high paying jobs with or without a degree. The kid will be fine financially, because he went pro. 

If he stays 4 years and doesn't amount to anything in sports, then he is in the same boat as others graduating college..... He came out way ahead. 

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25 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Sounds like Sabonis has more than a flare up. Leaving Orlando for foot specialist. If this is the case and if Vic has the slightest trepidation....I say come back healthy in December. 

Not looking real positive for the Pacers.  Yesterday none of their top 3 big men played.  I don't know what was wrong with Goga or Turner and Sabonis was at the game yesterday.

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Just now, IU Scott said:

Not looking real positive for the Pacers.  Yesterday none of their top 3 big men played.  I don't know what was wrong with Goga or Turner and Sabonis was at the game yesterday.

Toughest part about the leadership part of pro sports. Fans will say give it your best blah blah,etc.....but if I'm Pritchard you have to be macro and I'd be looking at December right now. Not July/August in Orlando. 

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25 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

If basketball doesn't work out for Leaf (and he probably will be able to carve out a career overseas, spending his 20s living in some beautiful place make high 6 or low 7 figures) an athlete like him would have no problem transitioning to a 6 figure sales role, coaching, or many other high paying jobs with or without a degree. The kid will be fine financially, because he went pro. 

If he stays 4 years and doesn't amount to anything in sports, then he is in the same boat as others graduating college..... He came out way ahead. 

You don't think if he played 4 years at UCLA and had a very good college career and lead UCLA to great seasons he would not have the same possibilities.  I would think there would be more job opportunities for him if he stayed at UCLA with all of their alumni.  

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1 minute ago, Seeking6 said:

Toughest part about the leadership part of pro sports. Fans will say give it your best blah blah,etc.....but if I'm Pritchard you have to be macro and I'd be looking at December right now. Not July/August in Orlando. 

I know it was financially based but this is why I thought it would just be for the best if they just cancelled this season.  I think with them playing this year and going so late it will interfere with two seasons instead of one.  They should just have planned for next season to start its normal time in late October.  I think playing this year you will see more injuries where players were not physically ready to play and it will hurt the teams for next year as well.

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7 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

You don't think if he played 4 years at UCLA and had a very good college career and lead UCLA to great seasons he would not have the same possibilities.  I would think there would be more job opportunities for him if he stayed at UCLA with all of their alumni.  

Scott, everyone is aware of where you stand on players staying in college and your opinion on it doesn't change. What also doesn't change is that it makes more sense financially for first round draft picks to get to the pros as early as possible. The window for being paid to play isn't large and even playing overseas they will earn much more than the cost of a degree.

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11 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I know it was financially based but this is why I thought it would just be for the best if they just cancelled this season.  I think with them playing this year and going so late it will interfere with two seasons instead of one.  They should just have planned for next season to start its normal time in late October.  I think playing this year you will see more injuries where players were not physically ready to play and it will hurt the teams for next year as well.

If I'm the GM of the Pacers I'd say give it your best guys if healthy. If not...I want full go in December. 

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10 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

Scott, everyone is aware of where you stand on players staying in college and your opinion on it doesn't change. What also doesn't change is that it makes more sense financially for first round draft picks to get to the pros as early as possible. The window for being paid to play isn't large and even playing overseas they will earn much more than the cost of a degree.

I just see a lot of former IU players who has great careers in things other than sports who probably were helped out because they played at IU.

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11 hours ago, Billingsley99 said:

I dont have time or care enough to look up leafs contract. Just a random number that a majority of first rounders make in their career.  Comparing Rose and Leafs background are crazy. For a guy like Iverson this is true for guys from middle to upper class not so true. The social norms of the classes are not comparable. 

The goal for a career is to reach the pinnacle 

I looked it up and Leaf signed a guaranteed 4 year contract. The 4th year, for the 2020-2021 season, is for 4.3 million which will bring the total 4 year payout to 11,576,000. At the end of the contract he will be 23 and have earned over 11 million. Not shabby.

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20 hours ago, IU Scott said:

You don't think if he played 4 years at UCLA and had a very good college career and lead UCLA to great seasons he would not have the same possibilities.  I would think there would be more job opportunities for him if he stayed at UCLA with all of their alumni.  

That's quite a narrative you're making up. We don't know how his career would have turned out, but we know he hasn't shown any signs of developing into a better basketball player. 

I don't think UCLA alums are any more likely to help him get a job if he graduated or not. He is a former UCLA basketball player, that's enough for him to leverage the alumni network. 

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