FKIM01 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: College basketball has just changed so much over the last 30 years and to make that blanket statement now is probably not correct. To me the top of college basketball has dropped down more of the level of the middle and bottom tier teams so it is way more competitive now than it was back then. 30 years ago you would have never out UVA, Villanova or UW in our category as well but things changed and now they are top programs today. Come on, man...IU is a far better basketball program than Georgia. That may not hold true in the future, but I feel comfortable saying that today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Come on, man...IU is a far better basketball program than Georgia. That may not hold true in the future, but I feel comfortable saying that today. What have we really done in the last 25 years to make us feel so entitled and act like it is something that is given to you. I have been alive for 3 of our championships and I am very proud of those but we have not won since 87 so I don't feel so entitled to think we should just be on that level of program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, IU Scott said: What have we really done in the last 25 years to make us feel so entitled and act like it is something that is given to you. I have been alive for 3 of our championships and I am very proud of those but we have not won since 87 so I don't feel so entitled to think we should just be on that level of program. I'm not saying IU has lived up to it's legacy in recent history. I'm saying it's done more than Georgia and way more if you consider the entire history of the programs. You're getting hung up on the fact that we haven't kept up with the Dukes and UNCs of the basketball world. I get that. It's not the argument I'm making. Georgia basketball is a pretty low hurdle. ...and lose the attitude...I'm older than you. I understand all about entitlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, FKIM01 said: I'm not saying IU has lived up to it's legacy in recent history. I'm saying it's done more than Georgia and way more if you consider the entire history of the programs. You're getting hung up on the fact that we haven't kept up with the Dukes and UNCs of the basketball world. I get that. It's not the argument I'm making. Georgia basketball is a pretty low hurdle. ...and lose the attitude...I'm older than you. I understand all about entitlement. My original point was that just because we were recruiting the same players does not make that player unworthy for IU to recruit. Georgia did get the 2nd ranked player in the 20 class and most thought he would go to UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHoosier Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Come on, man...IU is a far better basketball program than Georgia. That may not hold true in the future, but I feel comfortable saying that today. Recruiting doesn’t follow program prestige as much as it did in the past. Former number one players have chosen: LSU, Washington, Missouri, and as of last year Georgia over blue bloods. Many of those cases it did NOT translate to on court success Priority for most recruits is how quickly they can get into the NBA. Bringing it back to the player of discussion, this is why Crean is utilizing the NBA tactic in his recruiting pitch. IU needs to capitalize on 2-4 year players, because the recruiting landscape will be changing soon with the removal of one and done rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, IU Scott said: My original point was that just because we were recruiting the same players does not make that player unworthy for IU to recruit. Georgia did get the 2nd ranked player in the 20 class and most thought he would go to UK I get that. Crean started off pretty hot at IU as well. He was helped with being a local option with a proven history of sending guys to the NBA. Georgia as a program, though, still has a lot to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, FKIM01 said: I get that. Crean started off pretty hot at IU as well. He was helped with being a local option with a proven history of sending guys to the NBA. Georgia as a program, though, still has a lot to prove. How the program is doing really doesn't matter to some recruits today and like Doc said in above post top players have been picking schools like LSU and Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 NotIThatLives brought up an interesting question that I am not certain has been addressed here yet. This kid is being recruited by two coaches whose programs are about polar opposites of each other. One tries to win by merely outscoring its opponents. Defense is an afterthought. The other tries to play lock down defense and a more structured offense. Imo, I find it unusual that a kid would be interested in two playing styles that vary to the extreme these two do. Certainly, Crean's style appears to be the more fun one, at least on face value. I believe CAM will turn out a more well rounded player however. Just my 2 cents worth. Will be worth watching the direction this kid goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, DocHoosier said: Recruiting doesn’t follow program prestige as much as it did in the past. Former number one players have chosen: LSU, Washington, Missouri, and as of last year Georgia over blue bloods. Many of those cases it did NOT translate to on court success Priority for most recruits is how quickly they can get into the NBA. Bringing it back to the player of discussion, this is why Crean is utilizing the NBA tactic in his recruiting pitch. IU needs to capitalize on 2-4 year players, because the recruiting landscape will be changing soon with the removal of one and done rule. Agree 100%. Most of the players today don't care that much about program history or legacy. Of the coach they're committing to sure, and obviously there can be a lot of crossover there (Duke/Coach K), but a top recruit isn't going to Kentucky to play in an arena named after a racist if they care more about program legacy than about the coach they think can get them to the NBA in one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, DocHoosier said: Recruiting doesn’t follow program prestige as much as it did in the past. Former number one players have chosen: LSU, Washington, Missouri, and as of last year Georgia over blue bloods. Many of those cases it did NOT translate to on court success Priority for most recruits is how quickly they can get into the NBA. Bringing it back to the player of discussion, this is why Crean is utilizing the NBA tactic in his recruiting pitch. IU needs to capitalize on 2-4 year players, because the recruiting landscape will be changing soon with the removal of one and done rule. Removal of the 1 & done is exciting to me. I'd love to see it further improved by requiring at least at 2-year stay if you choose college., but I'm a realist...unlikely we see that anytime soon, if ever. Those two changes would dramatically reduce the number of kids playing college ball solely as a mechanism to get to the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 43 minutes ago, IU Scott said: How the program is doing really doesn't matter to some recruits today and like Doc said in above post top players have been picking schools like LSU and Washington Sure, some do...but most want to win. For every Ben Simmons, there are ten other kids choosing Duke/Kentucky to get to the NBA, AND have a chance to win in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 27, 2019 Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 A real bulldog. Continues to remind me of a Mateen Cleaves/Raymond Felton type. If my guard is going to be 6’1 or under I want them built like this lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerHoosier Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 11:19 PM, dgambill said: A real bulldog. Continues to remind me of a Mateen Cleaves/Raymond Felton type. If my guard is going to be 6’1 or under I want them built like this lol. Now if he could have the hops of AJ Moye we would be all set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/17/2019 at 11:41 AM, Steubenhoosier said: NotIThatLives brought up an interesting question that I am not certain has been addressed here yet. This kid is being recruited by two coaches whose programs are about polar opposites of each other. One tries to win by merely outscoring its opponents. Defense is an afterthought. The other tries to play lock down defense and a more structured offense. Imo, I find it unusual that a kid would be interested in two playing styles that vary to the extreme these two do. Certainly, Crean's style appears to be the more fun one, at least on face value. I believe CAM will turn out a more well rounded player however. Just my 2 cents worth. Will be worth watching the direction this kid goes. It is interesting from a recruit-player perspective, but while playing style is important there’s also playing time — how much they’ll see as a frosh, and to many others player development for the NBA is equally important. As to the well-rounded player, guys like Vic, OG, Cody, Yogi, Bryant et al are in the NBA. Individual player development under Crean is a strength of his. I’m interested to see how well CAM develops players at IU, including for the NBA, going forward. That will factor into recruiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 A big thick guard. Not a big shooter but love how he gets to the basket. Uses his body well...kinda like Simpson at Michigan. I think he would hold up well in the B1G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 His name came up again that he is the likeliest pg that might commit to us. This is his latest videos. Uses his body well to get to the basket and finish. Tenacious player. Seems like he would be a hard worker at both ends of the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 On 6/17/2019 at 11:00 AM, IU Scott said: What have we really done in the last 25 years to make us feel so entitled and act like it is something that is given to you. I have been alive for 3 of our championships and I am very proud of those but we have not won since 87 so I don't feel so entitled to think we should just be on that level of program. Oh good lord...GEORGIA?!! Lol. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 8 hours ago, BADGERVOL said: Oh good lord...GEORGIA?!! Lol. Come on. Why are you just now commenting on a post that I posted 3 months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 11 hours ago, BADGERVOL said: Oh good lord...GEORGIA?!! Lol. Come on. Didn't we win Geronimo and Crean was on him? I'm not worried about Georgia on this particular recruit. I worry more about a team like Dayton actually. I think their pgs are mostly upper classman and I see him getting playing time right away. We project him to be more of a back up for the next few years. At the moment it seems Texas A&M is the hottest on him. Buzz must have made some connections while he was back at Virginia Tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 hours ago, IU Scott said: Why are you just now commenting on a post that I posted 3 months ago New 5fouls challenge. Find old IU Scott posts and comment on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: New 5fouls challenge. Find old IU Scott posts and comment on them. For the sake of the mods, dear god no! That has plunger gate 2.0 written all over it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said: For the sake of the mods, dear god no! That has plunger gate 2.0 written all over it! Hmmm. Did Scott ever post in the Keion Brooks thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said: For the sake of the mods, dear god no! That has plunger gate 2.0 written all over it! You're assuming I like the mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, 5fouls said: You're assuming I like the mods. Nope, hence me pleading to a deity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said: Nope, hence me pleading to a deity. And failed to capitalize 'God'. Not sure if the prayer will be answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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