FW_Hoosier Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Zlinedavid said: Any team that sustains major injuries to 3 of their top 8 is in trouble. Michigan State handled it pretty well last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: Michigan State handled it pretty well last year. They went from a preseason top 3 to a top 10ish, then back in the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: Michigan State handled it pretty well last year. Just because you're in trouble doesn't mean you can't get out of trouble. Odds aren't in your favor though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjeze106 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 12 hours ago, Madison22 said: Goodbye? We need more evidence that we've kissed the NCAA tournament hello. I'd even take a side hug at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 10 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: Michigan State handled it pretty well last year. Umm... didn't they lose twice to an NIT team when they weren't at full strength? Sure MSU was great when they were all healthy. Just shows how important a strong bench can be. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, Indy1987 said: Umm... didn't they lose twice to an NIT team when they weren't at full strength? Sure MSU was great when they were all healthy. Just shows how important a strong bench can be. Go Hoosiers!!! 🤦🏻♂️ Not even worth a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Back to Brooks catsup, errrr I mean Van Zyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Michigan State has an entrenched program with a steady stream of veterans continuing a well established culture. We have none of that and it’s what I want to see fixed by having the Galloway’s and Leal’s join Phinisee. Once it takes root, you can withstand some losses. That’s my hope more than anything. Above a bunch of five stars, etc. We need a program and an identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Indy1987 said: Umm... didn't they lose twice to an NIT team when they weren't at full strength? Sure MSU was great when they were all healthy. Just shows how important a strong bench can be. Go Hoosiers!!! It also doesn’t hurt to have an all-American point guard to lead you. That team was just much deeper and veteran team. We lost Rob and all hades broke loose. Funny thing was once we started to get some guys back (Rob/Davis) we beat the best team in our conference...who just do happen to have lost guys of their own. Michigan State was a championship quality team had Langford and Ward stayed healthy. We were a 6 seed perhaps if we stayed healthy...we just didn’t have the horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: 🤦🏻♂️ Not even worth a response. But, that is a response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: 🤦🏻♂️ Not even worth a response. So why this comeback? LOL Did we not beat them twice when they had players out? Rarely can teams can lose starters and maintain the same level of play. They were fortunate to be healthy when it mattered. Wouldn't you agree? Getting back on topic... I hope this kid is worth a scholly. A short roster is a real gamble should the injury bug strike again. Carry on. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 I take a peek at Twitter just to see if there are updates regarding players (not to stalk or tweet at or follow them) but took notice he's retweeted any and all articles about him and IU. So I would say we're the leaders if he goes this route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: I take a peek at Twitter just to see if there are updates regarding players (not to stalk or tweet at or follow them) but took notice he's retweeted any and all articles about him and IU. So I would say we're the leaders if he goes this route. Is that good or bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, Indy1987 said: So why this comeback? LOL Did we not beat them twice when they had players out? Rarely can teams can lose starters and maintain the same level of play. They were fortunate to be healthy when it mattered. Wouldn't you agree? Getting back on topic... I hope this kid is worth a scholly. A short roster is a real gamble should the injury bug strike again. Carry on. Go Hoosiers!!! Except that’s not at all what happened. They won the conference regular season title, conference tournament, and went to the Final Four with their first/second-best player Joshua Langford missing the entire season. They went to the Final Four with junior guard/8th man Kyle Ahrens also missing the entire tournament. And they went 4-1 down the stretch and clinched the regular season title while their third-best player Nick Ward sat out for a month after getting hand surgery (and his first game back was the first game of the conference tournament). The only players that they didn’t have available against IU were Langford, who missed the entire season, and Ward in the second game we played at Assembly Hall. I know our fanbase loves to blow IU’s injuries out of proportion, but three of MSU’s eight best players missed critical stretches of time, and they didn’t miss a beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Has it only been a year when Evan Fitzner joined the program in late spring to shore up the team's most glaring weakness. It's going to take a lot to convince me that any extra backcourt minutes should not be give to Damezi and Armaan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Except that’s not at all what happened. They won the conference regular season title, conference tournament, and went to the Final Four with their first/second-best player Joshua Langford missing the entire season. They went to the Final Four with junior guard/8th man Kyle Ahrens also missing the entire tournament. And they went 4-1 while their third-best player Nick Ward sat out for a month after getting hand surgery (and his first game back was the first game of the conference tournament). The only players that they didn’t have available against IU were Langford, who missed the entire season, and Ward in the second game we played at Assembly Hall. I know our fanbase loves to blow IU’s injuries out of proportion, but three of MSU’s eight best players missed significant stretches of time, and they didn’t miss a beat. And he also has had how many years to build up his program and recruit so they can still be good when injury’s happen? Archie has had 1 recruiting class which were Freshmen last year rest are Crean recruits. Also we had so many guys out we couldn’t even scrimmage. And half our players playing were playing less than 100 percent, Romeo, Zach, Al, Deron, Rob. Literally the walking wounded. It was ridiculous last year! I’ve never in my life seen anything like it. But yes Michigan state handled the injury’s well and I would expect that out of a hall fame coach in like his 20th season with program. I’d expect Archie teams to handle injuries better when he has his roster built up in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Does anyone know of any other school involved here? I remember reading something about multiple high majors showing interest, but I never saw any specific ones listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePaulieWalnuts Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 If he wants to come, bring him in. Depth and having some insurance at the point position certainly won’t hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford1432 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Has it only been a year when Evan Fitzner joined the program in late spring to shore up the team's most glaring weakness. It's going to take a lot to convince me that any extra backcourt minutes should not be give to Damezi and Armaan. You are assuming they both ready to play at a big ten level. I say bring this kid in and lets see what he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said: Does anyone know of any other school involved here? I remember reading something about multiple high majors showing interest, but I never saw any specific ones listed. Incarnate Word is a school I keep hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said: Does anyone know of any other school involved here? I remember reading something about multiple high majors showing interest, but I never saw any specific ones listed. In one of those links it said Marshall offered when he was at Huntington Prep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bedford1432 said: You are assuming they both ready to play at a big ten level. I say bring this kid in and lets see what he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Seems to be a lot of the Crean "I got the scholly, I need to use it" philosophy in this thread. It just seems to run so counter to what we claim we want as a program. There are a lot of red flags with this kid, such as moving around, and seemingly a me first (not team first) approach, The classes have a nice balance to them for the first time in a long time. Granted, Jerome's missing last season contributed to that, but the result is till the same. Does not seem to fit the stated mission of getting old and staying old. If he does not achieve his goal of launching a professional career, and on the off chance he decides to stay at IU as a marginal contributor, he is taking a scholly that needs to be left available for 2021. Class balance be damned. We want to sign 4-5 Indiana kids from the 2021 class. It would be bad to wake up and only have 3 schollies available. I guess Archie could start Creaning kids, but that's a different discussion, All that said, my biggest point of caution is that, if he were truly a difference maker at the Power 5 level, he would not still be available. I'm not sure how anyone can argue against that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Seems to be a lot of the Crean "I got the scholly, I need to use it" philosophy in this thread. It just seems to run so counter to what we claim we want as a program. There are a lot of red flags with this kid, such as moving around, and seemingly a me first (not team first) approach, The classes have a nice balance to them for the first time in a long time. Granted, Jerome's missing last season contributed to that, but the result is till the same. Does not seem to fit the stated mission of getting old and staying old. If he does not achieve his goal of launching a professional career, and on the off chance he decides to stay at IU as a marginal contributor, he is taking a scholly that needs to be left available for 2021. Class balance be damned. We want to sign 4-5 Indiana kids from the 2021 class. It would be bad to wake up and only have 3 schollies available. I guess Archie could start Creaning kids, but that's a different discussion, All that said, my biggest point of caution is that, if he were truly a difference maker at the Power 5 level, he would not still be available. I'm not sure how anyone can argue against that point. Did anyone know Brazdeikis a year ago? He is old already. Possible red flags, due diligence required. No problem if he's good enough to be 2 and done scholarship wise. If he does stay 3 or 4, so long as he's not actually a Priller, no big deal. See due diligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 45 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said: Does anyone know of any other school involved here? I remember reading something about multiple high majors showing interest, but I never saw any specific ones listed. Montana State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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