go_iu_bb Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 I posted this earlier in this thread but I think it's worth posting again about looking at it from a profit point of view. Looking at this year's draft salaries (link below), each lottery position is worth at least $150k per year than the position below low it. The higher in the draft one goes, the greater the difference gets. So looking at it that way, if paying for a single semester improves his draft stock by even a single position, he'd earn that money back several times over. Even improving from #30 to #29 would probably be a slight net gain or maybe just breaking even over the duration of the contract. So if he believes he'll improve his draft position by going to one school, it could make sense for him to pay for that semester. And it would probably make more sense for him to do that than stay in HS for another semester. This isn't even taking into account the NIL money that will be available next season. Crean might be selling him on that as a way to basically pay him back on that semester. So he'll probably choose Georgia and the Creaning today is to show him he'll definitely have a scholarship next season. https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, Hoosierdave said: What a joke if he chooses Georgia. Maybe it’s just me but I feel like if I was a recruit and the coach was desperately trying to run someone off the team for me MIDSEASON, it would turn me off. I wouldn’t want to play for coach who treats his players like they are so easily disposable. The thing is if Muhammad pays his own way he wouldn't need to run players off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 If we lose Muhammad it just makes you wonder what has happened. The last 3 classes we got the majority of the guys we went after hard. Now it would be like 1 for 5 so I wondering why. It is not like we have been horrible and have improved every year. Maybe kids don't like the defensive minded coach that Archie is but those other classes new this as well. Also maybe it is how our offense had looked but at Dayton Archie's offense was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, IU Scott said: If we lose Muhammad it just makes you wonder what has happened. The last 3 classes we got the majority of the guys we went after hard. Now it would be like 1 for 5 so I wondering why. It is not like we have been horrible and have improved every year. Maybe kids don't like the defensive minded coach that Archie is but those other classes new this as well. Also maybe it is how our offense had looked but at Dayton Archie's offense was pretty good. Also just because one writer from Georgia picks UGA doesn't mean anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, IU Scott said: The thing is if Muhammad pays his own way he wouldn't need to run players off Right. The "Creaning" does zero for a spring scholarship. What it does do is tell Aminu there is one less player to complete with for playing time next season. Hard for me to see a kid trying to create a marquee brand choosing Georgia basketball over IU. Anthony Edwards makes more sense...he was local and Crean promised him free reign (I assume), but if I'm a five-star wanting maximum basketball exposure, why would I choose a football school? I don't see Georgia being invited to the Maui Invitational, especially if Crean sends video of himself shooting free throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierdave Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: If we lose Muhammad it just makes you wonder what has happened. The last 3 classes we got the majority of the guys we went after hard. Now it would be like 1 for 5 so I wondering why. It is not like we have been horrible and have improved every year. Maybe kids don't like the defensive minded coach that Archie is but those other classes new this as well. Also maybe it is how our offense had looked but at Dayton Archie's offense was pretty good. I was reading on this transfer and Crean signed 7 players for the 2019 class (including this kid). He’s now the 4th player in that class to transfer. If you want to question what is going on at IU, a recruit should do the same w/Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, FKIM01 said: Right. The "Creaning" does zero for a spring scholarship. What it does do is tell Aminu there is one less player to complete with for playing time next season. Hard for me to see a kid trying to create a marquee brand choosing Georgia basketball over IU. Anthony Edwards makes more sense...he was local and Crean promised him free reign (I assume), but if I'm a five-star wanting maximum basketball exposure, why would I choose a football school? I don't see Georgia being invited to the Maui Invitational, especially if Crean sends video of himself shooting free throws. They were in Maui.ladt year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnet550 Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: What does it say I don’t pay for it lol just showing he had a new one out. Usually not a terrible thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Hoosierdave said: I was reading on this transfer and Crean signed 7 players for the 2019 class (including this kid). He’s now the 4th player in that class to transfer. If you want to question what is going on at IU, a recruit should do the same w/Georgia. Wow that is a terrible stat and sounds like our 2012 class. Also did Muhammad's guardian say anything about Georgia's game last night. It seems like he had tweeted a lot of good things during our games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: If we lose Muhammad it just makes you wonder what has happened. The last 3 classes we got the majority of the guys we went after hard. Now it would be like 1 for 5 so I wondering why. It is not like we have been horrible and have improved every year. Maybe kids don't like the defensive minded coach that Archie is but those other classes new this as well. Also maybe it is how our offense had looked but at Dayton Archie's offense was pretty good. The first few classes recruits might give the benefit of the doubt. After 3 seasons they probably look more at the actual results which haven't been pretty. 2 of the recruits specifically mentioned the offense. Remember, the recruits don't have the bias of fans. They're also choosing the school at which they think they'll prosper the most and will help them in the long run. Which players have made significant jumps under Miller? Morgan made a really good improvement in Miller's first season, but does he get credit for that or does Crean? Maybe Morgan himself? We haven't seen that type of improvement from other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, go_iu_bb said: The first few classes recruits might give the benefit of the doubt. After 3 seasons they probably look more at the actual results which haven't been pretty. 2 of the recruits specifically mentioned the offense. Remember, the recruits don't have the bias of fans. They're also choosing the school at which they think they'll prosper the most and will help them in the long run. Which players have made significant jumps under Miller? Morgan made a really good improvement in Miller's first season, but does he get credit for that or does Crean? Maybe Morgan himself? We haven't seen that type of improvement from other players. Oh I'd beg to differ. Many players showed improvement. Look at Al's 3-point percentage for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, IU Scott said: They were in Maui last year That was kind of tongue-in-cheek, Scott. Was mostly looking forward and making fun of Crean's eccentricities. You do a great job playing the straight though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 3, 2020 Report Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Oh I'd beg to differ. Many players showed improvement. Look at Al's 3-point percentage for example. Okay, that's one other example in a single facet of Durham's game. He's still not a dominate player and even many of the fans on this site didn't think he should be a starter entering this season. So that seems more of a natural progression rather than the amazing work of the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Bustout said: Don’t disagree at all. He rebuilt IU from the bottom and did it the right way and without any trouble. He deserves credit for that. now ... if he only brought a plunger on in-home visits and knew how to beat a zone .... 🤣 If you could take the best things about Crean and the best about Archie....you may have a coach as good as our best coach....maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Here me out here and look at the last 3 coaches who were here for awhile. To me if you look back at Davis, Crean and Miller and they started out well recruiting and then started to go down. I wouldn't say Miller is totally going down yet but just looking at the coaches. Some will say that recruits probably just saw the coach and you got to know them better. You could also say the first few years those coaches still had the fans behind them. Is it a coinensedence or is it a pattern that once the fans started turning on the coaches is when recruiting started going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: Okay, that's one other example in a single facet of Durham's game. He's still not a dominate player and even many of the fans on this site didn't think he should be a starter entering this season. So that seems more of a natural progression rather than the amazing work of the coach. How about Race and Franklin because they are way better this year compared to last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, dgambill said: If you could take the best things about Crean and the best about Archie....you may have a coach as good as our best coach....maybe. Well our best coach ever and one of the best all time thinks highly of Archie and endorsed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Turtle Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 57 minutes ago, cybergates said: What kind of troll are you again? Hard to keep you all straight I posted positive things after the game yesterday If you can't take a couple of humorous GIF's about the current state of our recruiting, then you need thicker skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Turtle Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, IU Scott said: How about Race and Franklin because they are way better this year compared to last year. This is true and fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Sea Turtle said: Recruits reaction to Indiana basketball: https://images.app.goo.gl/QGbxM9XEH8pLkmibA 1 hour ago, Sea Turtle said: I don't know. All I know is that recruits seem to be avoiding indiana like the plague. https://images.app.goo.gl/zCWKYfuVn4Hreiva8 That’s funny....even if it the situation isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sea Turtle said: I posted positive things after the game yesterday If you can't take a couple of humorous GIF's about the current state of our recruiting, then you need thicker skin. There is a lot of fans that are living in denial. One negative comment and their whole world comes crumbling down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Here me out here and look at the last 3 coaches who were here for awhile. To me if you look back at Davis, Crean and Miller and they started out well recruiting and then started to go down. I wouldn't say Miller is totally going down yet but just looking at the coaches. Some will say that recruits probably just saw the coach and you got to know them better. You could also say the first few years those coaches still had the fans behind them. Is it a coinensedence or is it a pattern that once the fans started turning on the coaches is when recruiting started going down. Why do you want to blame us the fans instead of putting the blame on the person responsible. It’s like battered wife syndrome or whatever it’s called...you will blame anyone and everyone but the one responsible. Archie will succeed or not on his own accord. I hope he succeeds but man he is making it so very very difficult on himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Well our best coach ever and one of the best all time thinks highly of Archie and endorsed him. He also endorsed Donald Trump...like him or hate him 50% of people would disagree with Coach Knight. I love Coach Knights coaching...do I trust his opinion still today despite his failing mental condition...ehh less so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, dgambill said: Why do you want to blame us the fans instead of putting the blame on the person responsible. It’s like battered wife syndrome or whatever it’s called...you will blame anyone and everyone but the one responsible. Archie will succeed or not on his own accord. I hope he succeeds but man he is making it so very very difficult on himself. I am not blaming them but it just starts looking like a pattern so maybe it is isn't just about coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, Sea Turtle said: I posted positive things after the game yesterday If you can't take a couple of humorous GIF's about the current state of our recruiting, then you need thicker skin. Congratulations. My skin is fine. I've only seen you post negative gifs randomly several times. Usually dealing with turds so I mistook you for a Turdue troll but figured I'd ask instead of assuming. I'll go cry myself to sleep now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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