IU Scott Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said: Of course we do. High ceiling and sometimes a low floor. But in the NBA’s case it’s always worth it. Most 4 year college players become 7th or 8th guys on an ok team, but the potential can mean getting a star who can carry your franchise for at least 7 years. I just went back and looked at the drafts from 2013-18 and there are not many players who turned out to be all stars that were drafted in the lottery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I just think you see way more draft bust today by going on potential over production I think you are three pages into the allotted ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, dgambill said: The question isn’t whether Trayce needs to develop a jump shot before going to the nba...the question is will the nba coaches do a better job developing his jump shot then IU...I don’t think there is even a question developing shooters is not Archies strength. The question really has nothing to do with Archie. I'd want any NBA staff developing a players shot over any college staff. The NBA game and the college game are so different and the way a player is used in college vs. how they'd be used in the NBA is completely different. NBA teams literally have close to 2:1 player to coach ratio, as well as a litany of support staff people and unlimited time to work with players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said: Of course we do. High ceiling and sometimes a low floor. But in the NBA’s case it’s always worth it. Most 4 year college players become 7th or 8th guys on an ok team, but the potential can mean getting a star who can carry your franchise for at least 7 years. In the case of the draft, it makes more sense to shoot for the high ceiling than a known commodity that might not improve much and likely will never be an NBA All-Star. Especially if you know it's unlikely anyone else will draft that player. They can still get the 4 year undrafted players signed to their G-League team. If that player ends up looking like a legit NBA player, move him up to see. The way it's now set up they can shoot high in the draft and have those second round or undrafted backup plans in the G-League under contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I just went back and looked at the drafts from 2013-18 and there are not many players who turned out to be all stars that were drafted in the lottery I just randomly selected the 1987 and the 2017 drafts. 1987 had 5 future all-star players (though Horace Grant only made it once) drafted in the lottery (using today's lottery standards of the top 14), but also had Dennis Hopson drafted #3, Joe Wolf #13 and Tellis Frank #14. The 2017 draft already has 3 all-star players from the lottery and those guys have just played 3 seasons. Busts are not more or less, the draft is just different. That is all. Sam Bowie was taken ahead of Michael Jordan and Darko was taken ahead of Carmelo and Wade. These things have always happened and always will happen. Heck, the Celtics drafted Kelly Olynyk (a 4 year college player) over Giannis. The draft has always been a crap shoot and always will. In that 1987 draft Reggie Lewis (an all-star before his untimely death) was selected behind Wolf, Tellis, Jim Farmar, Christian Welp, Ronnie Murphy, and somebody names Dallas Comegys (yes, that's spelled correctly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, BGleas said: I just randomly selected the 1987 and the 2017 drafts. 1987 had 5 future all-star players (though Horace Grant only made it once) drafted in the lottery, but also had Dennis Hopson drafted #3, Joe Wolf #13 and Tellis Frank #14. The 2017 draft already has 3 all-star players from the lottery and those guys have just played 3 seasons. Busts are not more or less, the draft is just different. That is all. Sam Bowie was taken ahead of Michael Jordan and Darko was taken ahead of Carmelo and Wade. These things have always happened and always will happen. Heck, the Celtics drafted Kelly Olynyk (a 4 year college player) over Giannis. The draft has always been a crap shoot and always will. In that 1987 draft Reggie Lewis (an all-star before his untimely death) was selected behind Wolf, Tellis, Jim Farmar, Christian Welp, Ronnie Murphy, and somebody names Dallas Comegys (yes, that's spelled correctly). I remember Comegy's because he was a very good player at DePaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: If I was TJD, I wouldn’t declare since he still hasn’t developed an outside shot, though he has begun taking jumpers Archie's offense isnt doing TJD any favors with no pick and pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 So, about Aminu... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: So, about Aminu... All eyes are pointing to Georgia from the sound of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 ESPN’s Jeff Borzello said all the momentum is Georgetown and Georgia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: All eyes are pointing to Georgia from the sound of it I have seen no concrete evidence do where you seeing this. The last crystal ball I have seen was on 11/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: I have seen no concrete evidence do where you seeing this. The last crystal ball I have seen was on 11/11 4 FutureCasts on Rivals this month all saying Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I have seen no concrete evidence do where you seeing this. The last crystal ball I have seen was on 11/11 It was an ESPN + article, saw it on the Georgetown Board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Lasley’s an IU guy, don’t know if he roams on here or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Meyer says it is still unknown too in his recent mailbag even with the picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: Lasley’s an IU guy, don’t know if he roams on here or not He is on Rivals and he is on the radio show with Jim Coyle every week and hadn't heard him saying anything about Muhammad and where he was leaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 I'm staying with my prediction of Georgia, especially since it now sounds less likely that he'll enroll early. I have no insider info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnet550 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 not much substance but both basically say guys who have put in crystal ball picks are guessing. The second shows Harmon saying that the crystal ball pick is pure speculation🤷♂️ just passing along what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 I got this from a guy on rivals from a couple of days ago so either we are wrong about the scholarship situation. We have thought that even if a guy leaves mid season that the program can't use that scholarship until next year. This guy said he thought he would enroll early but now with UGA having a guy to leave that would open a scholarship up for Muhammad. Aminu Mohammed ’s recruitment has kept people guessing because both his destination and when exactly he plans to arrive on campus has been in question in recent months. These days, it seems as though the Springfield (Mo.) Greenwood senior will enroll early and show up on the campus of his choice in January. All that’s left to do now is pick a school. I’ve long seen Georgia as a major player here, but it seemed that the Bulldogs might not have an available scholarship to award Mohammed at semester. That all changed when UGA sophomore Jaykwon Walton hit the transfer portal on Dec. 3. The stars seemed to now be aligned for the talented Mohammed to land in Athens, but both Georgetown and Indiana shouldn’t be ruled out. The other teams on Mohammed’s final list (Kansas State, Oklahoma State, etc) seem much less likely to land his letter of intent. Georgia head coach Tom Crean has a long history of developing pros and the fact that he recently helped a guard become the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA Draft certainly plays well in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: I'm staying with my prediction of Georgia, especially since it now sounds less likely that he'll enroll early. I have no insider info. I am staying with my prediction of IU which I first made 4 months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 I swear they have to hold the scholarship even if someone transfers out, unless it changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, Hoosierfan1901 said: I swear they have to hold the scholarship even if someone transfers out, unless it changed They do. It's starting to sound like he might not enroll early and will instead finish out the HS season. If so, an open scholarship right now is not a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: They do. It's starting to sound like he might not enroll early and will instead finish out the HS season. If so, an open scholarship right now is not a factor. Well the guy I referenced two days ago thought he would enroll in January but who knows with this recruitment. Either way someone is wrong with their knowledge of the scholarship situation. You would hope that a guy who writes for Rivals would do some research before posting this if it is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: They do. It's starting to sound like he might not enroll early and will instead finish out the HS season. If so, an open scholarship right now is not a factor. Oh yes, forgot his Season isn’t canceled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Why does this thread remind me of catsup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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