rico Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, FKIM01 said: The better question is, how much money will Noah hang on to? That has/had nothing to do with staying in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, rico said: That has/had nothing to do with staying in college. I 100% beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, FKIM01 said: I 100% beg to differ. Each to their own....remember a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: I'm still not sold on jumping early just to get paid. I know all the arguments for the superior development programs and getting paid/not having to deal with classes while you are working on your game, but I keep going back to Noah Vonleh who appears to be in the process of washing out of the league early. We'll never know what would have happened if he stayed a year or two longer and developed his game more without the sink or swim pressure of the G League/NBA. Until someone can find a way to prove otherwise, there will always be this nagging question in my mind if some of these young men would be better served developing in college first and then jumping into the deep end of the pool when they are a little bit older, more mature and better equipped to deal with the pressure to perform or be fired. Everyone knows my view on this and I wouldn't go until I can be a contributor right away. I don't want to be the end of the bench guy who goes back and forth to the G league for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, rico said: If you were in his position, what would you do? Think long and hard on that one. Great, now here comes 10 pages of Scott telling us how he'd stay in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: Great, now here comes 10 pages of Scott telling us how he'd stay in college. 😂 To his credit, he's already acknowledged and decided to stand down this round. EDIT: Re-read...I may be wrong on that one...😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 7 hours ago, rico said: Each to their own....remember a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. For sure. I just know how 18 year-olds handle money...even with NBA protection, education and safeguards. You can also insure part of your future earnings against injury. I think a little more maturity would help some of these young guys have a better chance of sticking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, FKIM01 said: For sure. I just down how 18 year-olds handle money...even with NBA protection, education and safeguards. You can also insure part of your future earnings against injury. I think a little more maturity would help some of these young guys have a better chance of sticking. Noah has pocketed over 15 million...you and Scott can go smoke together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: For sure. I just down how 18 year-olds handle money...even with NBA protection, education and safeguards. You can also insure part of your future earnings against injury. I think a little more maturity would help some of these young guys have a better chance of sticking. The problem with these kids are under so much pressure from family and friends when they get all of that money. They can't say no to anyone so they can go through all of their money quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: The problem with these kids are under so much pressure from family and friends when they get all of that money. They can't say no to anyone so they can go through all of their money quickly Going to college fixes that? OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, rico said: Going to college fixes that? OMG It can help them learn to be more mature and can take courses about economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, rico said: Noah has pocketed over 15 million...you and Scott can go smoke together. 1 minute ago, rico said: Going to college fixes that? OMG You're missing the point, but I'm done belaboring it since we've gone way off track here. I'll end with this...if Noah washes out here, I'll bet my net worth in retirement will be higher than his will be. Not saying he won't be OK, but there are plenty of examples of broke former NBA players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: It can help them learn to be more mature and can take courses about economics. Actually they need to take a biology class....something that teaches them about leeches. College ain't gonna fix people feeding off them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 IMO Going early or staying only impacts the college game. If a player is going to make it in the NBA it doesn't matter if they go early or stay 4 years. Their size, athleticism, skill, work ethic, etc determine success, not where they are. It doesn't matter what school they choose to go to in college or if they leave early. The cream rises to the top. Vonleh is out of the league (ATM) but if he stayed an extra year he may have gotten drafted higher/lower, but he's still the same player and would be out of the league. Swannigan stayed an extra year at Turdue with the Big-Man Whisperer and he's out of the league too. Tim Duncan would have been the same player if he came out early as he was staying four years. Obviously, wins/team success would be different for them based on who drafted them/where they ended up. With the amount of money these kids make, if they don't have some version of the "Mamba Mentality" or whatever you want to call it (desire to be great) they're not going to stick in the league long. For the washouts, their desire was to make it to the league/get paid, and once there they lose their motivation, have enough money to do whatever they want outside of basketball (so they don't train/play as hard), it's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, FKIM01 said: You're missing the point, but I'm done belaboring it since we've gone way off track here. I'll end with this...if Noah washes out here, I'll bet my net worth in retirement will be higher than his will be. Not saying he won't be OK, but there are plenty of examples of broke former NBA players. So, college made you aware of how to handle money? If it did, then you weren't brought up right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PritchardPutBack Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, jefftheref said: Is it for sure that TJD is leaving for the NBA? In my opinion he needs to develop the ability to go to his right, with his right hand and develop a perimeter game. He goes in with his current skill set and he will be eaten alive. I thought this was kind of a dumb question to start the year and he would be gone after this season for sure, but Jonathan Givony of ESPN released the very early 2021 best available for the draft a week or two ago and TJD is only 55th https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/3. Obviously it is way to early to find that as super reliable information and Thomas Bryant ended up leaving while only being a projected 2nd rounder at the end of the season, but you gotta think there's a chance he'd come back if he remains a second round guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, rico said: So, college made you aware of how to handle money? If it did, then you weren't brought up right. So you knew everything there was to know about handling money at 18? Come on, Rico...now you're being obtuse. Those four years sure didn't hurt my personal finance knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 The real problem is age is a measurable for these guys. A 19 year old is way more valuable than a 21-22 year old in the eyes of the NBA. If you stay an extra year in college you need to show a large improvement for your draft stock to increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, rico said: Actually they need to take a biology class....something that teaches them about leeches. College ain't gonna fix people feeding off them. In ancient cultures, leeches were used to "purify the blood." "I'm just here to purify you, bruh." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, PritchardPutBack said: I thought this was kind of a dumb question to start the year and he would be gone after this season for sure, but Jonathan Givony of ESPN released the very early 2021 best available for the draft a week or two ago and TJD is only 55th https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/3. Obviously it is way to early to find that as super reliable information and Thomas Bryant ended up leaving while only being a projected 2nd rounder at the end of the season, but you gotta think there's a chance he'd come back if he remains a second round guy Add in his financial situation isn't dire being the son of an NBA player and he can make the decision solely based on what he wants to do unlike some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, PritchardPutBack said: I thought this was kind of a dumb question to start the year and he would be gone after this season for sure, but Jonathan Givony of ESPN released the very early 2021 best available for the draft a week or two ago and TJD is only 55th https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/3. Obviously it is way to early to find that as super reliable information and Thomas Bryant ended up leaving while only being a projected 2nd rounder at the end of the season, but you gotta think there's a chance he'd come back if he remains a second round guy Aminu says "HI" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: In ancient cultures, leeches were used to "purify the blood." "I'm just here to purify you, bruh." "They say money is the root of all evil. I'm here to relieve you of that burden and keep you good and pure." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, PritchardPutBack said: I thought this was kind of a dumb question to start the year and he would be gone after this season for sure, but Jonathan Givony of ESPN released the very early 2021 best available for the draft a week or two ago and TJD is only 55th https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr/page/3. Obviously it is way to early to find that as super reliable information and Thomas Bryant ended up leaving while only being a projected 2nd rounder at the end of the season, but you gotta think there's a chance he'd come back if he remains a second round guy I saw one the other day had him going 29th and Garza going 32nd. What is bad most of the top prospects they had on the list are guys who are struggling in their freshman year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: So you knew everything there was to know about handling money at 18? Come on, Rico...now you're being obtuse. Those four years sure didn't hurt my personal finance knowledge. Actually, I did. I am a farm boy. Graduated at 17. Money was the game in my family. How to hold onto dollars for a year until the next harvest came. Obtuse? I think not. Worldly? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PritchardPutBack Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, IU Scott said: I saw one the other day had him going 29th and Garza going 32nd. What is bad most of the top prospects they had on the list are guys who are struggling in their freshman year. There's a bunch of mock drafts all over the place but I know personally I really trust Givony over just about anyone. He used to run DraftExpress.com but came over to ESPN with Woj when that big move happened and really does his due diligence scouting international guys and talking to those in the know when it comes to the draft. Once again though, a whole bunch can change by the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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