Zlinedavid Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, BGleas said: I agree with this. Win the conference title or at least compete for it (top 4ish every year) consistently, winning every few years, and you'll consistently have a really good tournament seed which increases your chances for a deep run every few years. It's what MSU does. They're in the top few finishers in the conference every year, which means high seeds in the tournament every year, which means deep runs every couple/few years, etc. I think it's a chicken/egg situation. In most cases, teams that win a national championship tend to be those that have won consistently throughout that season. By consequence, if you win consistently throughout the regular season, you're probably going to finish at or near the top of your conference. The conference championship is more of an indicator of overall regular season performance, which is the true indicator of tournament performance. One of the oldest sayings in statistics, "Correlation does not mean causation" applies here. Both an NCAA championship and a conference championship can be predicted by consistent regular season performances. They're a result of the same thing, more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 What is the most memorable game of the 2011-2012 IU season? In the 2002 run to the NCAA final game, what game do you remember most? I understand that winning conference games is important in the grand scheme of things. Of course we want to win the conference. Of course we want to do well in the NCAAs. But wins over or loses to hated rivals, like UK, or Duke, are games that can provide thrills or hurt forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 IU is 0-1 all-time versus Cleveland State, and that remains one of the most talked about losses in college basketball history. Since most IU fans are still pissed about that loss, I consider that to be a rivalry until we even the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 For what it's worth, IU has only played Duke 10 times since 1950. It's played Oregon State more. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana/head-to-head.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Growing up for me its Kentucky and Purdue. The rest are just conference teams we want to beat. The non-cons are just other blue bloods we want to topple at any give time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATX_sig Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Growing up in Southern Indiana, I never hated UK even if they were the rival I had hoped IU to beat the most. In fact I would watch them often during a season until Cal arrived. Now I don't pay attention to them at all unless playing IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: What is the most memorable game of the 2011-2012 IU season? In the 2002 run to the NCAA final game, what game do you remember most? I understand that winning conference games is important in the grand scheme of things. Of course we want to win the conference. Of course we want to do well in the NCAAs. But wins over or loses to hated rivals, like UK, or Duke, are games that can provide thrills or hurt forever. I guess I am different because I want to enjoy 4 months of great basketball over a 2 hour great game. Actually I think in 2002 the best we played all year might have been the home game against UI when we hit 18 3 pointers, Yes the wins over UK and Duke are exciting but those are jus tone game of 35-40 game sin a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: I guess I am different because I want to enjoy 4 months of great basketball over a 2 hour great game. Actually I think in 2002 the best we played all year might have been the home game against UI when we hit 18 3 pointers, Yes the wins over UK and Duke are exciting but those are jus tone game of 35-40 game sin a year. Can't have both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 13 hours ago, Zlinedavid said: Can't have both? no one will ever win this argument. Its not really worth engaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUaic Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 16 hours ago, 5fouls said: IU is 0-1 all-time versus Cleveland State, and that remains one of the most talked about losses in college basketball history. Since most IU fans are still pissed about that loss, I consider that to be a rivalry until we even the score. What about our recruiting battle for Romeo with Montana State? Can recruiting battles create a rivalry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, IUaic said: What about our recruiting battle for Romeo with Montana State? Can recruiting battles create a rivalry? Yes. Had not thought of that. Immediately moves Montana State into the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Yes. Had not thought of that. Immediately moves Montana State into the discussion. If so then does a rival of a rival become a rival as well. Things that make you go hmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Yes. Had not thought of that. Immediately moves Montana State into the discussion. We played Montana St last year so I think the rivalry is starting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 22 hours ago, BGleas said: My list is something like this... UK Michigan OSU MSU PU Some might be surprised at how low I have PU on the list, but it's mostly because I view IU as a national program and IMO those other schools are more threats to our national status and how IU is viewed nationally. Typically, IU is not battling PU for a 4* recruit from Virginia, but we might be battling each of those other schools for that recruit. I guess I just look at PU as more of a regional program compared to those others. I view the Michigan, MSU, OSU group as more of a threat in terms of being viewed as the 'premiere' Big Ten program. Not sure if that makes sense, but it's how I view it. It kind of makes sense but idk how realistic it is to say that IU-OSU is a big-time rivalry. MSU and UM make more sense but if you’re talking strictly rivalries, UK and Purdue I’d assume would be 1/2 in the order of things. That’d be like me saying MSU or UM in terms of being a threat. They’ve been a bigger threat than IU recently but IU is still a bigger/more hated rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Billingsley99 said: If so then does a rival of a rival become a rival as well. Things that make you go hmmmmm. Isn't the rival of my rival my friend. Therefore they would become IU's sister campus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1. UK - Contrary to the other Big Ten teams listed below, who I root for in the post-postseason, I NEVER root for UK 2. PU - obviously 3. MSU - I used to like MSU, but Izzo is thee biggest whiner in the B1G. And his whiny face is so punchable. 4. Illini - A) treatment of Eric Gordon & family B) Weber verbally kicking us while we were down C) When the weather is fair they have arrogant fans (which is worse than fans who are always arrogant) 5. Wiscy - Most of it is envy, but I'm so sick of losing to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, tdhoosier said: 5. Wiscy - Most of it is envy, but I'm so sick of losing to them. I don't consider them a rival, i do hate them with a passion unlike any other team. I might very well hate Wisc more than any other team in any sport. My hatred of Wisc as a school has bled over to the fact that i now have hate colored lenses when thinking of anything that comes out of that stupid state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: I don't consider them a rival, i do hate them with a passion unlike any other team. I might very well hate Wisc more than any other team in any sport. I hatred of Wisc as a school has bled over to the fact that i now have hate colored lenses when thinking of anything that comes out of that stupid state. I am the same. But Bo is gone and Wiscy is going down. I don't know if they'll return to the after-thought they were before Bo, but I don't see Wiscy being a major conference contender going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUaic Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 4 hours ago, 5fouls said: Yes. Had not thought of that. Immediately moves Montana State into the discussion. Also forgot about Incarnate Word and the blood bath that was the Priller recruitment. Mart them as 1 of my top 5 rivals!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, IowaHoosierFan said: I don't consider them a rival, i do hate them with a passion unlike any other team. I might very well hate Wisc more than any other team in any sport. My hatred of Wisc as a school has bled over to the fact that i now have hate colored lenses when thinking of anything that comes out of that stupid state. But how do you really feel? 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 In order... 1. UK 2. Purdue 3. Kensucky 4. Purdue 5. pUKe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 hours ago, IowaHoosierFan said: I don't consider them a rival, i do hate them with a passion unlike any other team. I might very well hate Wisc more than any other team in any sport. My hatred of Wisc as a school has bled over to the fact that i now have hate colored lenses when thinking of anything that comes out of that stupid state. Hard for me to envision Wiscy (or Northwestern for that matter) as a rival, simply because when I was growing up and into my young adult years, Wisconsin and Northwestern were the doormats of the B10 in both basketball AND football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd726 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Purdue BIG #1 #2 - most of the rest of that list #3 - rest of B1G #4- whatever team we are playing (😄) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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