btownqb Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, milehiiu said: Regular season games. I presume. Same class as Carmel ? I just learned something. Thanks for that. I just keep thinking of the Milan Miracle. They even make movies of that kind of thing. I am sure nothing like that will ever happen again. The Milan Miracle of 1954 Also. I want to thank you very, very much. For your civil debate with me. THANKS ! School that are 1300 students and larger play in 4A. Huge difference in basketball, unfortunately. Alabama doesn't play against Frankin College in sports in college. Why should HS be any different? I'm not sure you're grasping how small these school are. Half of Carmel is still a 6A HS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, btownqb said: School that are 1300 students and larger play in 4A. Huge difference in basketball, unfortunately. Alabama doesn't play against Frankin College in sports in college. Why should HS be any different? I'm not sure you're grasping how small these school are. Half of Carmel is still a 6A HS. I really appreciate all of your information. Again. Thanks very much. I just grew up in a different era. When the tournament started, we all had one dream. Becoming THE one and only state champ. When I was in high school. My old school. Gary Lew Wallace never had a chance. Getting past the likes of Froebel, Roosevelt, or even Tolleston, in the Sectionals. Never happened. Yet I still had hope. Every year. And low and believe..... Roosevelt once went to the championship game against Crispus Attucks. With Dick Barnett. Kids I watched. As they trounced my school. Only to lose to Oscar Robertson. Not my school. But a memory that has lived in my mind for decades. AND. THEN. Brandon Dawson playing against Cody Zeller for a state championship. A game, thanks to the World Wide Web,I was able to watch. Class basketball. Not the same for me. It was class basketball, wish it wasn't : 2010 IHSAA State Championship: Washington 65, Gary Wallace 62 (OT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, milehiiu said: I really appreciate all of your information. Again. Thanks very much. I just grew up in a different era. When the tournament started, we all had one dream. Becoming THE one and only state champ. When I was in high school. My old school. Gary Lew Wallace never had a chance. Getting past the likes of Froebel, Roosevelt, or even Tolleston, in the Sectionals. Never happened. Yet I still had hope. Every year. And low and believe..... Roosevelt once went to the championship game against Crispus Attucks. With Dick Barnett. Kids I watched. As they trounced my school. Only to lose to Oscar Robertson. Not my school. But a memory that has lived in my mind for decades. AND. THEN. Brandon Dawson playing against Cody Zeller for a state championship. A game, thanks to the World Wide Web,I was able to watch. Class basketball. Not the same for me. It was class basketball, wish it wasn't : 2010 IHSAA State Championship: Washington 65, Gary Wallace 62 (OT) Football thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 43 minutes ago, rico said: Football thread.... It's Indiana ! It's Indiana ! And it's the off season for both. IU FB as well as BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 hours ago, milehiiu said: I really appreciate all of your information. Again. Thanks very much. I just grew up in a different era. When the tournament started, we all had one dream. Becoming THE one and only state champ. When I was in high school. My old school. Gary Lew Wallace never had a chance. Getting past the likes of Froebel, Roosevelt, or even Tolleston, in the Sectionals. Never happened. Yet I still had hope. Every year. And low and believe..... Roosevelt once went to the championship game against Crispus Attucks. With Dick Barnett. Kids I watched. As they trounced my school. Only to lose to Oscar Robertson. Not my school. But a memory that has lived in my mind for decades. AND. THEN. Brandon Dawson playing against Cody Zeller for a state championship. A game, thanks to the World Wide Web,I was able to watch. Class basketball. Not the same for me. It was class basketball, wish it wasn't : 2010 IHSAA State Championship: Washington 65, Gary Wallace 62 (OT) There is zero chance that a small school could compete with the mega schools in today's high school basketball. Honestly, class basketball has probably saved high school basketball in Indiana. If today's generation only knew getting beat by 40 points in the sectional every year,, then they would simply find something else to do with their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, 5fouls said: There is zero chance that a small school could compete with the mega schools in today's high school basketball. Honestly, class basketball has probably saved high school basketball in Indiana. If today's generation only knew getting beat by 40 points in the sectional every year,, then they would simply find something else to do with their time. Football thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, rico said: Football thread... Yep. I created it and have kept the conversation going when it starts to lag. And, when high school basketball season gets here, I will start a thread on it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Yep. I created it and have kept the conversation going when it starts to lag. And, when high school basketball season gets here, I will start a thread on it as well. I went fishing today in Indiana... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 11 hours ago, 5fouls said: There is zero chance that a small school could compete with the mega schools in today's high school basketball. Honestly, class basketball has probably saved high school basketball in Indiana. If today's generation only knew getting beat by 40 points in the sectional every year,, then they would simply find something else to do with their time. Blackhawk Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Steubenhoosier said: Blackhawk Christian Could they surprise a big school in a one game shootout. Sure. Could they win 7-8 games in a row against big schools in tournament play? I don't think so. Games against Silver Creek, Culver, Marion, and Attucks coming this season. All are very good teams, but they are not mega schools, and I don't think any of them could win a single class title either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Could they surprise a big school in a one game shootout. Sure. Could they win 7-8 games in a row against big schools in tournament play? I don't think so. Games against Silver Creek, Culver, Marion, and Attucks coming this season. All are very good teams, but they are not mega schools, and I don't think any of them could win a single class title either. They beat all but one team in the Ft. Wayne area last year, which included 8 4A schools and 2 3A schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 50 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: They beat all but one team in the Ft. Wayne area last year, which included 8 4A schools and 2 3A schools. But none of those Ft. Wayne area schools would have had a prayer in a single class tourney either. Silver Creek won the 3A title but would have been projectef to lose in the sectional to Jeffersonville in a single class setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: Blackhawk Christian Silver Creek would run rule Blackhawk Christian. Then Carmel would have beaten SC by 12-15 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, btownqb said: Silver Creek would run rule Blackhawk Christian. Then Carmel would have beaten SC by 12-15 last year. That's just it....all conjecture. Your opinion vs mine. Let them play the games and determine the best. Saying all this, I believe it is much easier for a small school basketball team to be competitive. All it takes is one or two dominant kids. Football is more about the numbers. I definitely believe there should be classes for football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: That's just it....all conjecture. Your opinion vs mine. Let them play the games and determine the best. Saying all this, I believe it is much easier for a small school basketball team to be competitive. All it takes is one or two dominant kids. Football is more about the numbers. I definitely believe there should be classes for football. There should be for basketball as well. Not really conjecture when you look at scores. Again.. there are divisions in college why shouldn't there be in HS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, btownqb said: There should be for basketball as well. Not really conjecture when you look at scores. Again.. there are divisions in college why shouldn't there be in HS? Not sure what scores have to do with anything, unless its in a head to head game. Divisions in college have less to do with attendance numbers, and more to do with whether the school wants to shell out the money to become Division 1. Loyola Chicago, George Mason, Florida Gulf Coast Atlantic, Butler....all small schools who were originally given little chance against the big boys. None won it all, but all acquitted themselves just fine against much larger schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, btownqb said: There should be for basketball as well. Not really conjecture when you look at scores. Again.. there are divisions in college why shouldn't there be in HS? The divisions in college are not based on a school's enrollment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 44 minutes ago, rico said: The divisions in college are not based on a school's enrollment... So? But in actuality.. they basically are. You put like schools against each other.. this isn't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Steubenhoosier said: Not sure what scores have to do with anything, unless its in a head to head game. Divisions in college have less to do with attendance numbers, and more to do with whether the school wants to shell out the money to become Division 1. Loyola Chicago, George Mason, Florida Gulf Coast Atlantic, Butler....all small schools who were originally given little chance against the big boys. None won it all, but all acquitted themselves just fine against much larger schools. But ok.. Carmel vs Sheridan game 1 of sectionals. So dumb. Why would anyone even want to watch that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Steubenhoosier said: Not sure what scores have to do with anything, unless its in a head to head game. Divisions in college have less to do with attendance numbers, and more to do with whether the school wants to shell out the money to become Division 1. Loyola Chicago, George Mason, Florida Gulf Coast Atlantic, Butler....all small schools who were originally given little chance against the big boys. None won it all, but all acquitted themselves just fine against much larger schools. They do that on a yearly basis?.. no even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Either way.. HS football intrasquad scrimmages are tonight or at least some of them. All we care about is being healthy and getting a good look at about 6 or 7 kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, btownqb said: So? But in actuality.. they basically are. You put like schools against each other.. this isn't rocket science. Listen, colleges pick their athletes. Enrollment has nothing to do with success on the field...look at Notre Dame. What do they have? Maybe 9,000 students? Compare that to USC or Wisconsin. Comparing Indiana's class system to divisions in college just makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, rico said: Listen, colleges pick their athletes. Enrollment has nothing to do with success on the field...look at Notre Dame. What do they have? Maybe 9,000 students? Compare that to USC or Wisconsin. Comparing Indiana's class system to divisions in college just makes no sense. It makes more sense then playing schools with 400 students against schools with 4,000+... honestly how dumb is that? 9,000 compared to 40,000 ... 400 compared to 5,000... I'm pretty good with ratios.. those two aren't even close. Colleges get to pick their players and they still understand there needs to be divisions.. why cant you guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, btownqb said: Either way.. HS football intrasquad scrimmages are tonight or at least some of them. All we care about is being healthy and getting a good look at about 6 or 7 kids. Good luck with your kids tonight. Everyone comes out healthy and you move on to next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 BIG, BIG difference in college enrollment versus high school enrollment. In college, you get to recruit. Trust me when I tell you that Borden, a 1A school down by me that won a basketball championship a few years back, did not get there by recruiting. That's a school that never even won a single class sectional before class went into effect. They were in a sectional with Jeffersonville, a school with 10-15 times the enrollment. That said, back to football. We can revisit basketball when we get closer to that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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