Active shooter drills or training

[milehiiu]

Have you, or yours gone through this type of training ?  Applies to not just schools. But employment places, and business places as well. Even more.   And even as an individual.

Sad to think we have reached this point :

Active Shooter Response Training- ALICE Training

[Drroogh]

40 minutes ago, milehiiu said:

Have you, or yours gone through this type of training ?  Applies to not just schools. But employment places, and business places as well. Even more.   And even as an individual.

Sad to think we have reached this point :

Active Shooter Response Training- ALICE Training

I've not been through any training like this. However as a former Trustee we put into place a well trained, including former Sheriffs Deputies, Safety Team at Church. We became a model and other Churches have trained under our team in conjunction with the Sheriffs Department. It must be noted that a big part of the training also included medical emergencies! The world has become insane, with all of the extremists of all kinds. It is unfortunate that good citizens need to take these kind of precautions!  That being said, I remember Attack Drills where as a second grader I had to hide under my desk!! Like that was really going to protect me from a Nuclear Bomb! 

[IUFLA]

1 hour ago, milehiiu said:

Have you, or yours gone through this type of training ?  Applies to not just schools. But employment places, and business places as well. Even more.   And even as an individual.

Sad to think we have reached this point :

Active Shooter Response Training- ALICE Training

Yes, run, hide fight...that's the government's training. 

[Drroogh]

IUFLA, I have all the respect in the world for your service! I mean that whole heartedly!!

That being said, it disheartens me that someone with your background was taught Run, Hide? Shouldn't have been your military training, strap on and end this? What would have been the outcome of the Parkland Florida School shooting if the deputies had been trained differently?

I know at Church, running the sound system near the back door, if someone broke through the locked door, the fire suppressant tank net to me is my best friend and I'm all in!

[IUFLA]

1 minute ago, Drroogh said:

IUFLA, I have all the respect in the world for your service! I mean that whole heartedly!!

That being said, it disheartens me that someone with your background was taught Run, Hide? Shouldn't have been your military training, strap on and end this? What would have been the outcome of the Parkland Florida School shooting if the deputies had been trained differently?

I know at Church, running the sound system near the back door, if someone broke through the locked door, the fire suppressant tank net to me is my best friend and I'm all in!

Thank you. But I'm in civilian government service now. And that's what they teach. 

I work in a secure facility, so no weapons are allowed to be brought in. Of course, all that means is the only one with a gun would be the bad guy. We do have security people, but they're contractors, and I don't have a lot of faith in them to stop something like that.

That said, I guess a lot of what anyone would do depends on where they are when something goes down.

I like to think I'd try to do something other than run and hide if something did go down, but I sincerely hope I'm never put in that situation.

[mrflynn03]

I dont have any official training but have done a lot of reading and watching videos on the subject.  I have a plan with contingencies that I hope I would be able to execute.  

I dont like large crowds so I typically avoid high risk situations by nature.

But if I am out some things I practice:

Situational awareness, observe people, surroundings.  We know what these fools most likely look like. I avoid being near those types. 

Find the exits and remember where they are.

Conceal carry where legal, I also have a collapsible baton or knife.  I also look for things to use as a weapon.  I'm also 6'3" 250 and try to stay in shape so I'm well defended.

My priorities are to my family and myself. Escaping a situation is priority number one. The other options would be situational.

[Drroogh]

Thanks for the clarification, and that makes complete sense! Again, thanks for your service, even in the civilian service! Been there on Fort Benning GA.

[Drroogh]

5 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said:

I dont have any official training but have done a lot of reading and watching videos on the subject.  I have a plan with contingencies that I hope I would be able to execute.  

I dont like large crowds so I typically avoid high risk situations by nature.

But if I am out some things I practice:

Situational awareness, observe people, surroundings.  We know what these fools most likely look like. I avoid being near those types. 

Find the exits and remember where they are.

Conceal carry where legal, I also have a collapsible baton or knife.  I also look for things to use as a weapon.  I'm also 6'3" 250 and try to stay in shape so I'm well defended.

My priorities are to my family and myself. Escaping a situation is priority number one. The other options would be situational.

Sounds like you have a plan which unlike others may save lives! God for you!

[milehiiu]

2 minutes ago, Drroogh said:

Sounds like you have a plan which unlike others may save lives! God for you!

I am like you.  Sounds like mrflynn has done his homework on the subject.  And think that is impressive.  Family comes first.

[mrflynn03]

14 minutes ago, Drroogh said:

Sounds like you have a plan which unlike others may save lives! God for you!

Was in scouts from 2nd grade until jr year.  Being prepared was something we practiced and it was instilled early on. I guess that's where I get it from. 

[Zlinedavid]

I've gone through it. I'm one of two "safety wardens" for my office (meaning we get cpr/defib training, do counts if there's a fire, etc).

For the average person "Run, Hide, Fight" isn't a bad approach. As a part of it, I drew up evac/safety plans for multiple scenarios (based on points of infiltration, weapons, etc). I know the layout of our building between my office and the ground floor, and know where to head at each level if my prime route is cut off.

[IUFLA]

34 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said:

 

Situational awareness, observe people, surroundings.  We know what these fools most likely look like. I avoid being near those types. 

Find the exits and remember where they are.

 

Truer words were never spoken. When my wife and I go to a restaurant, any restaurant fast food or otherwise, I always sit facing the main entrance. 

Take notice of people. I worked at Chicago ARTCC from 2000 until I transferred to Houston in 2012. I had moved on by the time the Chicago ARTCC fire happened in 2014.

Now, I used to sit next to the guy that did this at the 7:40 automation meeting every morning. He was, in a word, weird. Gauge earrings, tattoos all over, and dressed like a Goth. When I heard the news, his was the first name I thought of. He wheeled a couple of gallons of gas in there at 5:20 in the morning, and I'm sure that had to smell. But, nobody said anything. 

If you see something, say something is sure the right thing to do.

[milehiiu]

6 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Truer words were never spoken. When my wife and I go to a restaurant, any restaurant fast food or otherwise, I always sit facing the main entrance. 

Take notice of people. I worked at Chicago ARTCC from 2000 until I transferred to Houston in 2012. I had moved on by the time the Chicago ARTCC fire happened in 2014.

Now, I used to sit next to the guy that did this at the 7:40 automation meeting every morning. He was, in a word, weird. Gauge earrings, tattoos all over, and dressed like a Goth. When I heard the news, his was the first name I thought of. He wheeled a couple of gallons of gas in there at 5:20 in the morning, and I'm sure that had to smell. But, nobody said anything. 

If you see something, say something is sure the right thing to do.

Thanks for sharing. It is a shame that when we go to a restaurant, we have to be aware of situational awareness.  I am learning a lot of everyone's inputs.

[mrflynn03]

29 minutes ago, milehiiu said:

Thanks for sharing. It is a shame that when we go to a restaurant, we have to be aware of situational awareness.  I am learning a lot of everyone's inputs.

It is a shame. I'm just old enough to remember when noone had to think of these things.

And I have my theories on what the source of this is. It isn't just one thing. I think its as perfect storm of social media and the internet allowing people to become isolated and think their lives suck because all they see is the highlight reel of others. Over prescription of SSRI's. 24/7 news cycle and just general information overload.  And young men being told there is no future for them.

Just some of my ideas.

[IUFLA]

10 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said:

It is a shame. I'm just old enough to remember when noone had to think of these things.

And I have my theories on what the source of this is. It isn't just one thing. I think its as perfect storm of social media and the internet allowing people to become isolated and think their lives suck because all they see is the highlight reel of others. Over prescription of SSRI's. 24/7 news cycle and just general information overload.  And young men being told there is no future for them.

Just some of my ideas.

I agree, and I'll add that to me, the breakdown of the family unit is a part of it.

The other day I read the term "Instagram influencer." WTF is that? You mean to tell me we're so far down the road that people look to Instagram for guidance? Are you kidding me? 

You know who influenced me? My Dad. My Mom. My uncle. My teachers. Most of the time with positive ways, but sometimes they had to tough love me. And that's fine.

That's why when Billingsley tells about the good times he has with his kids, I get jacked. I love seeing people being great parents. It means so much to me to see that. Something that I feel is slipping away from us...

[Parakeet Jones]

We do them at the school I teach at. We just underwent a multi million dollar renovation in large part due to these tragic school shootings. We went from an open concept school (no doors and very few walls) to doors and walls for every classroom. 

[Drroogh]

" agree IUFLA, and I'll add that to it, the breakdown of the family unit is a major part of it." IUFLA, you are on it!!

Know a couple of teachers in this county, (one of the poorest in the Southeast!) they tell the story that half the county is functionally illiterate! It really does come down to whether the family can support learning! How can you expect a parent to teach their children to read, if they can't even read bedtime stories! Add in the broken family unit and the wrong beat goes on!

[milehiiu]

50 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said:

We do them at the school I teach at. We just underwent a multi million dollar renovation in large part due to these tragic school shootings. We went from an open concept school (no doors and very few walls) to doors and walls for every classroom. 

My wife taught at a middle school, where every room had a door to the outside.  It was wonderful when she first started teaching there. Outside door was always unlocked.   At the end of her 30 year full time tenure there. The   out side  doors were  locked. And the windows were blacked  out. I was once there when an alert came over the intercom .  LOCK down. Get in place. And the other hall way door was locked by my wife, and I along with the students got under the tables. 

I was there to assist for a field trip that day. After some time. The police came, and escorted her classroom to an awaiting bus.  We left. Running.  But the lock down continued.

[Leathernecks]

We did ALICE training at our school last year as a staff, and are going to do an active shoot drill with students this year.  We're going to go over what we'd do with our kids if there was an active shooter in a few places in the building and what we would need to do in each scenario.  Not looking forward to it.

[milehiiu]

8 minutes ago, Leathernecks said:

We did ALICE training at our school last year as a staff, and are going to do an active shoot drill with students this year.  We're going to go over what we'd do with our kids if there was an active shooter in a few places in the building and what we would need to do in each scenario.  Not looking forward to it.

Though you may not be looking forward to it. Congrats to your school/district for being pro-active.

[Zlinedavid]

13 hours ago, mrflynn03 said:

I think its as perfect storm of social media and the internet allowing people to become isolated and think their lives suck because all they see is the highlight reel of others.

I've had this theory for at least 6-7 years. And in case anyone was wondering, no, I'm not a senior citizen who just "doesn't get" social media. By some definitions, I'm an older Millennial.

The only social media platform I'm on is LinkedIn, and thats been primarily for job searches. The self-centered, self-righteous nature of LinkedIn is bad enough and serves as a reminder as to why I've never joined Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. Too many people trying to make up for their insecurities by projecting perfection and absolute correctness, when in reality, they couldn't hold a face-to-face debate for 20 seconds without crumbling. Perfect example: a person I'm tangentially connected to has a Facebook profile that she's constantly posting pictures of her house she just cleaned, her latest craft project, something about her kids, etc. Reality: she's addicted to painkillers and heroin, her parents have custody of her kids, she's never held a job longer than a month and her house is clean because she's sold most of the contents for drugs. But look at her profile, and you'd see nothing more than another perfect, self absorbed suburban housewife. Yeah, right.

Even worse, everyone is oblivious to the real point of any social media platform: data collection. I've never had an account on any of the major social media platforms, yet I'd guarantee that Facebook has data on me. How? There's so much data out there that it's becoming easier to identify the holes in the data rather than interpret the data itself. For those movie buffs, it's the "I Drink Your Milkshake" effect.

[mrflynn03]

22 hours ago, IUFLA said:

Truer words were never spoken. When my wife and I go to a restaurant, any restaurant fast food or otherwise, I always sit facing the main entrance. 

Take notice of people. I worked at Chicago ARTCC from 2000 until I transferred to Houston in 2012. I had moved on by the time the Chicago ARTCC fire happened in 2014.

Now, I used to sit next to the guy that did this at the 7:40 automation meeting every morning. He was, in a word, weird. Gauge earrings, tattoos all over, and dressed like a Goth. When I heard the news, his was the first name I thought of. He wheeled a couple of gallons of gas in there at 5:20 in the morning, and I'm sure that had to smell. But, nobody said anything. 

If you see something, say something is sure the right thing to do.

Just now got to reading this story.  Wow.  I've done some reading on air traffic control work. To me, seems like organized chaos.  A very important and underappreciated job considering how many people's lives depend on it being done correctly.  That dude put a lot of people at risk. 

[IUFLA]

1 hour ago, mrflynn03 said:

Just now got to reading this story.  Wow.  I've done some reading on air traffic control work. To me, seems like organized chaos.  A very important and underappreciated job considering how many people's lives depend on it being done correctly.  That dude put a lot of people at risk. 

It can be chaotic, especially with weather around. But for the most part, it's a tightly controlled, very organized effort. Computers have taken on more if the workload, and that'll continue. I've been working on this Datacomm program for a while now. With all of the different airport configurations it's been tough but we're getting there.

I fully expect in 10-15 years, controllers will be replaced by "monitors" who will be there just in case if a malfunction.

[rd726]

Yes, hospital “taught” what IUFLA mentioned 

[milehiiu]

Active shooter training had been held at the school where the Santa Clarita, California shooting happened today ( Nov. 14, 2019).  However some students admitted that the training was held only once early in the year.  And they had forgotten what to do. Though some remembered, and they ran away from the campus.  Which should be a lesson.  Continue to keep the training going on throughout the year.

And my heart is hurting as I hear that two dear young ones have perished in the shooting today.