BGleas Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, rico said: The Lunardi stuff is moot...we are 9-10 right now, win and that be .500. The Boilers have the same deal. You bring up a good point. I didn't see his segment, but from what I've read Lunardi was arguing that IU shouldn't be in the tournament with an under .500 conference record, but he had IU as a 10 seed because he knows he has to have IU in right now because the committee doesn't subscribe to that theory. So, he basically admitted that he has IU undervalued because of a made up bias that he has. So, the question is, if IU wins Saturday does he then readjust and properly seed where he has IU? I would think he'd move IU up for beating Wisconsin alone, but shouldn't there be an even larger bump up in his bracket due to already having IU underseeded? I'm probably over analyzing this, but hey what else to do we have to discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, BGleas said: I understand that as well, but right now we're kind of discussing the narrative and in my opinion the narrative that IU is somehow on the bubble (as of this moment) is in accurate, but it's being pushed by the bracketologist with the loudest, albeit inaccurate (though the general fans/media don't know that) voice. Totally agree but if you look at bracketmatrix.com they have a composite of every bracketologist and right now our average seed is 9.74. That shows most think we are comfortably in as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, BGleas said: You bring up a good point. I didn't see his segment, but from what I've read Lunardi was arguing that IU shouldn't be in the tournament with an under .500 conference record, but he had IU as a 10 seed because he knows he has to have IU in right now because the committee doesn't subscribe to that theory. So, he basically admitted that he has IU undervalued because of a made up bias that he has. So, the question is, if IU wins Saturday does he then readjust and properly seed where he has IU? I would think he'd move IU up for beating Wisconsin alone, but shouldn't there be an even larger bump up in his bracket due to already having IU underseeded? I'm probably over analyzing this, but hey what else to do we have to discuss? I don't watch the idiot period. But from what Scott says, Joe makes no sense. Both teams have a home game left. Both can/should end up .500. With that being said, Jugglin' Joe better be ready to be in the circus. IU is in some interesting territory as far as seeding if we make a deep BTT run. Beat Bucky and get to the semis and watch what unfolds around the country. But I would surmise that our ceiling is higher regarding seeding as far as what smokin' Joe has us at. Hell, win the BTT and we could get a 4. Purdue is a different case as they are playing for their tournament lives. Beat Rutgers, win 2 in the BTT and I think they are in. Hell, beating Rutgers and 1 BTT win might get them in. Lunardi is just anti-B1G...pure and simple. And he is whining and pouting about his precious Hawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Totally agree but if you look at bracketmatrix.com they have a composite of every bracketologist and right now our average seed is 9.74. That shows most think we are comfortably in as of now. Because we are. Maybe just me I guess. We win tomorrow and win a couple next week we move up to probably 8. We lose tomorrow and win one next week we're still 9/10. We lose tomorrow and lose first game in BTT I still think we're an 11 seed or play in game. I don't see a scenario where we are left out at all. Rabby just tweeted we have the 4th most wins in country over ranked teams I think was the stat. We have 1 technically bad loss (home to Arkansas). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Because we are. Maybe just me I guess. We win tomorrow and win a couple next week we move up to probably 8. We lose tomorrow and win one next week we're still 9/10. We lose tomorrow and lose first game in BTT I still think we're an 11 seed or play in game. I don't see a scenario where we are left out at all. Rabby just tweeted we have the 4th most wins in country over ranked teams I think was the stat. We have 1 technically bad loss (home to Arkansas). I think if we win tomorrow and win 2 games in the BTT we may see a 6-7 seed. I know we always stink it up in the BTT but our path (last time I looked) was favorable because we wouldn’t have to play PU, MSU, or Wisky until the finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidehoosier Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, BruceDouglas said: Well played...well played. But fortunately Wesson won't be back, he's got the game with the addition of the 3 point shot to get drafted, so he's gone. Unlike Kofi. Are you seeing him as a lottery pick somewhere to assume this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Because we are. Maybe just me I guess. We win tomorrow and win a couple next week we move up to probably 8. We lose tomorrow and win one next week we're still 9/10. We lose tomorrow and lose first game in BTT I still think we're an 11 seed or play in game. I don't see a scenario where we are left out at all. Rabby just tweeted we have the 4th most wins in country over ranked teams I think was the stat. We have 1 technically bad loss (home to Arkansas). the only way not getting in would be if there are a lot of teams winning conference tournaments who were not going to get in as an at large bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Because we are. Maybe just me I guess. We win tomorrow and win a couple next week we move up to probably 8. We lose tomorrow and win one next week we're still 9/10. We lose tomorrow and lose first game in BTT I still think we're an 11 seed or play in game. I don't see a scenario where we are left out at all. Rabby just tweeted we have the 4th most wins in country over ranked teams I think was the stat. We have 1 technically bad loss (home to Arkansas). Arky is 19-11 and #43 in the NET.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Seeking6 said: His whole theory is so idiotic. He says if you don't go .500 in conference you should have to win 2 conf tournament games. So Joe...using this approach you would choose to reward a weaker team from a weaker P5 conference (PAC 12, ACC, BIg 12,etc..) because they had more bottom feeder teams to get the .500 record? If he is focused on IU and Purdue, he clearly is biased against B1G. He has Marquette as a 7 seed. They are 8-9 in Big East, 18-11 overall and just lost to DePaul. He has W Virginia as an 8 seed. They are 8-9 in the Big 12, have lost 6 0f 8, with only recent wins over IA ST & OK St. He has OK & Xavier in with losing conference records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, rico said: Arky is 19-11 and #43 in the NET.... And that's supposed to be our bad loss. Maybe Purdue at home was worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: If he is focused on IU and Purdue, he clearly is biased against B1G. He has Marquette as a 7 seed. They are 8-9 in Big East, 18-11 overall and just lost to DePaul. He has W Virginia as an 8 seed. They are 8-9 in the Big 12, have lost 6 0f 8, with only recent wins over IA ST & OK St. He has OK & Xavier in with losing conference records. Exactly. Just once this weekend I'd love for someone nationally just to ask Lunardi (maybe Sage could) to explain his thinking of just these 2 teams and examples. Not the other 4-5 that would make as much sense as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: really don't have to worry about what other people's criteria, just the selection committee. True but you think members of the committee don't watch ESPN? Sure they come up with their own decisions but they can be influenced by what others are preaching. I still say we win one more and we are solidly in. 2 losses though is bubble territory. I do worry that the committee might not be to keen on sending 10 or 11 from the B1G. The number from one conference shouldn't matter but it is the NCAA. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Indy1987 said: True but you think members of the committee don't watch ESPN? Sure they come up with their own decisions but they can be influenced by what others are preaching. I still say we win one more and we are solidly in. 2 losses though is bubble territory. I do worry that the committee might not be to keen on sending 10 or 11 from the B1G. The number from one conference shouldn't matter but it is the NCAA. Go Hoosiers!!! I really doubt that the committee really cares what a hack like Lunardi thinks should happen. Also they never talk about conference affiliation in the committee room. They say each team is an independent contractor so they don't look where they finished in their conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: And that's supposed to be our bad loss. Maybe Purdue at home was worse. It is for me. I'm with Bobby on this one... (language warning) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Interesting non- IU thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Saw that Neb suspended Mack for last nights game so I was wondering if it will just be a one game thing or for more games. If we play them we should win but if Mack is not there then they have no shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBQ Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Seeking6 said: And that's supposed to be our bad loss. Maybe Purdue at home was worse. Purdue is currently at 32 in the NET so technically it wasn’t as bad as Ark. For some reason it really likes them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, IU Scott said: I really doubt that the committee really cares what a hack like Lunardi thinks should happen. Also they never talk about conference affiliation in the committee room. They say each team is an independent contractor so they don't look where they finished in their conference. None of us knows what goes on in that room. Just because "they say" they don't look at conference affiliation doesn't mean they don't think about it. Just look at what they always do with pairing teams to meet. It's no coincidence that we always seem to face UK early. The committee is not perfect and they often do leave out teams and put teams in that aren't as deserving. Didn't you the other day say how the committee should be made up of experts instead of what they do now? Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Indy1987 said: None of us knows what goes on in that room. Just because "they say" they don't look at conference affiliation doesn't mean they don't think about it. Just look at what they always do with pairing teams to meet. It's no coincidence that we always seem to face UK early. The committee is not perfect and they often do leave out teams and put teams in that aren't as deserving. Didn't you the other day say how the committee should be made up of experts instead of what they do now? Go Hoosiers!!! yes I did but it had more to do with that I want teams selected by the eye test more than analytics. Also we are not always up against UK early besides 2012 and 2016 the only other time off the top of my head that we played them was in 83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Allot of the selection comes down to what is good and what is bad basketball. If we're on the bubble and play crap basketball the last two games and lose I wouldn't be surprised if they push us out. They want to sell tickets and get viewership. Crap basketball doesn't draw that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: Allot of the selection comes down to what is good and what is bad basketball. If we're on the bubble and play crap basketball the last two games and lose I wouldn't be surprised if they push us out. They want to sell tickets and get viewership. Crap basketball doesn't draw that. From what I've watched this year in college basketball, if that's the criteria, they would have a four team tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, IU Scott said: yes I did but it had more to do with that I want teams selected by the eye test more than analytics. Also we are not always up against UK early besides 2012 and 2016 the only other time off the top of my head that we played them was in 83 UK was just one example. There are countless other examples of the committee having matched teams early to face rivals and former coaches. It's all about filling arenas and making money when it comes down to it. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, Indy1987 said: UK was just one example. There are countless other examples of the committee having matched teams early to face rivals and former coaches. It's all about filling arenas and making money when it comes down to it. Go Hoosiers!!! I don't believe that because I have heard to many people who went through the mock process say that is not true at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Surprised no one has brought up Northern Iowa getting smoked by Drake today. Assuming Northern Iowa still gets an at large the bubble just removed a team. PS...Northern Iowa beat Drake last Saturday at their house by 27 I think. Crazy stuff. Edit-Actually the more I think about it I think Northern Iowa won't get an at large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Surprised no one has brought up Northern Iowa getting smoked by Drake today. Assuming Northern Iowa still gets an at large the bubble just removed a team. PS...Northern Iowa beat Drake last Saturday at their house by 27 I think. Crazy stuff. Edit-Actually the more I think about it I think Northern Iowa won't get an at large. Didn't Northern Iowa beat Colorado this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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