5fouls Posted January 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Speaking of the Hall of Fame vote. Who the hell voted for JJ Putz? https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28533311/derek-jeter-larry-walker-elected-baseball-hall-fame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Jeter one vote short of unanimous. Red Sox beat writer, I'd wager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, IUFLA said: Red Sox beat writer, I'd eager... I'd wager he was too eager??? ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: I'd wager he was too eager??? ☹️ Damn auto correct...put together by Mormons or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Ozuna to the Braves, 1 year 18 mil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 10 hours ago, IUFLA said: Ozuna to the Braves, 1 year 18 mil... Interesting move for the ATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 41 minutes ago, rico said: Interesting move for the ATL You have t wonder if that makes the Cards try to go back to the table for Arenado with a sweeter package... Gotta replace 29 HRs and 89 RBI some way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, IUFLA said: You have t wonder if that makes the Cards try to go back to the table for Arenado with a sweeter package... Gotta replace 29 HRs and 89 RBI some way... The Cards have a true and tried recipe for replacing a player...it is called pixie dust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 13 hours ago, 5fouls said: Jeter one vote short of unanimous. Probably the same clown that kept Jr. From being unanimous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 13 hours ago, 5fouls said: Speaking of the Hall of Fame vote. Who the hell voted for JJ Putz? https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28533311/derek-jeter-larry-walker-elected-baseball-hall-fame Maybe I need to dive into his numbers more but guys like Walker getting in is because some of these voters refuse to vote for Bonds, Clemens,etc.....and playing 81 home games in Denver doesn't hurt either. Maybe I'll think differently when looking at stats more closely but to me he isn't HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Maybe I need to dive into his numbers more but guys like Walker getting in is because some of these voters refuse to vote for Bonds, Clemens,etc.....and playing 81 home games in Denver doesn't hurt either. Maybe I'll think differently when looking at stats more closely but to me he isn't HOF. Just a quick look at the numbers backs your assessment up...a lot... Lifetime BA Home .348 Away .278 HR Home 215 Away 168 RBI Home 747 Away 564 And this is with more plate appearances on the road than at home. By teams he played for Col (10 years) .334 258 848 Mon (6 years) .281 99 384 Stl (2 years) .286 26 79 Averaged out for HR and RBI (per year) Col 26 HR 84 RBI Mon 17 HR 64 RBI Stl 13 HR 40 RBI I know his prime was in Colorado... But to me, good hitter, excellent fielder, but a little short as far as HOF goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 34 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Maybe I need to dive into his numbers more but guys like Walker getting in is because some of these voters refuse to vote for Bonds, Clemens,etc.....and playing 81 home games in Denver doesn't hurt either. Maybe I'll think differently when looking at stats more closely but to me he isn't HOF. Walker's career WAR is actually higher than Jeter's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Walker's career WAR is actually higher than Jeter's. Out of curiosity, what were Larry's JAWS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Interesting article on Walker's HOF cred I thought this was particularly interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Interesting article on Walker's HOF cred I thought this was particularly interesting Thanks for these stats. Kind of confirms what I was thinking. Good to sometimes great player but HOF? I've always thought whether football or baseball if you hesitate when someone says are they hall of fame worthy.....they probably aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, rico said: Out of curiosity, what were Larry's JAWS? 10th all time among right fielders. Better than 16 other right fielders that are in Hall (number does not count players that made HOF based more on managerial success). Better than Gwynn, Winfield, Guerrerro, Shoeless Joe, and Ichiro, among others. And, if you look beyond offense, Walker was a very good defensive outfielder as well. And, assuming he was not roiding in that era like many others were, his stats look even better. More doubles, home runs, and ribbies than Roberto Clemente. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: Thanks for these stats. Kind of confirms what I was thinking. Good to sometimes great player but HOF? I've always thought whether football or baseball if you hesitate when someone says are they hall of fame worthy.....they probably aren't. Sometimes players are benefactors of their home parks. But I have looked over Walker's stats...the advanced metrics say he belongs. He doesn't pass my eye test, but none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: 10th all time among right fielders. Better than 16 other right fielders that are in Hall (number does not count players that made HOF based more on managerial success). Better than Gwynn, Winfield, Guerrerro, Shoeless Joe, and Ichiro, among others. And, if you look beyond offense, Walker was a very good defensive outfielder as well. And, assuming he was not roiding in that era like many others were, his stats look even better. More doubles, home runs, and ribbies than Roberto Clemente. Yeah, I saw those stats(looked them up). TY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 How many pitchers are in the Hall because of playing in a pitcher's park or during the dead ball era? How many Red Sox hitters benefitted from the Green Monster? How many Yankees players are in the Hall because they were Yankees and not Washington Senators? Etc, etc, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Mets to announce Luis Rojas as manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: More doubles, home runs, and ribbies than Roberto Clemente. No disrespect but Larry Walker doesn't belong in the same sentence as The Great One... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 CBS Sports reporting the Cubs are looking at Jacoby Ellsbury for a spot in CF... He hasn't played since 2017 due to injury (hip/foot)... We're picking the scrapheap clean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 hours ago, IUFLA said: CBS Sports reporting the Cubs are looking at Jacoby Ellsbury for a spot in CF... He hasn't played since 2017 due to injury (hip/foot)... We're picking the scrapheap clean... Until KB's grievance deal is done I think you'll hear plenty of names with Cubs. Just not sure why the grievance is taking so long to begin with. It's a rule that was voted for and approved by MLB Union. Teams can use that rule to their benefit. Simple contract law imo....but the longer this goes the more harm it causes Cubs. Won't be able to make any deals....if that was the plan to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Until KB's grievance deal is done I think you'll hear plenty of names with Cubs. Just not sure why the grievance is taking so long to begin with. It's a rule that was voted for and approved by MLB Union. Teams can use that rule to their benefit. Simple contract law imo....but the longer this goes the more harm it causes Cubs. Won't be able to make any deals....if that was the plan to begin with. I see no reason why the Cubs shouldn't just stay status qua for now. Said it before. See how the new manager does opening the season and go from there as far as acquisitions/trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, rico said: I see no reason why the Cubs shouldn't just stay status qua for now. Said it before. See how the new manager does opening the season and go from there as far as acquisitions/trades. I'm with you as far as the starting 8 goes...would like to see another starting pitcher though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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