rico Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, IUFLA said: The Hawk won an MVP for a last place team (87), and helped propel the 89 Cubs to the playoffs (Jerome Walton and Dwight Smith were the additions the Cubs needed)... But I do agree that Lester meant more in a team sense... Oh...Walton and Smith. If only they kept repeating their rookie seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Hey @IUFLAI was in the stands in '89 to see a Cubs/Giants game. 4 game series. I saw the only game the Cubbies lost. 3 take aways from that game. 1) The Hawk had a cannon for an arm. 2) Dwight Smith was a terrible outfielder. And 3) Will Clark was a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, rico said: Hey @IUFLAI was in the stands in '89 to see a Cubs/Giants game. 4 game series. I saw the only game the Cubbies lost. 3 take aways from that game. 1) The Hawk had a cannon for an arm. 2) Dwight Smith was a terrible outfielder. And 3) Will Clark was a stud. 1) yes 2) double yes 3) he proved that in the NLCS that year too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Reds last 8 games will be pretty tough 3 vs White Sox 3 vs Bewers 2 @ Twins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Reds last 8 games will be pretty tough 3 vs White Sox 3 vs Bewers 2 @ Twins Just win, especially against the Bewers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, rico said: Just win, especially against the Bewers.... Actually they have 3 @ Twins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Billingsley99 said: On that note for all you Cubs fans, was Lester the greatest FA acquisition for the Cubs all time if not who was better. Lester bought in early and set the tone so for winning a World Series and being in the playoffs more times than we have in the previous 100 years I'd say Lester. Dawson was a big one at the time because Cubs didn't spend. Equally as important team wise was Zobrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just how bad would the Reds offense be if they had to face the Reds pitching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Just how bad would the Reds offense be if they had to face the Reds pitching? I think I saw on Tuesday that out of the 15 NL Teams. Here's the rankings at the time for team batting averages in NL Central. Cards-10th Cubs-12th Brewers-13th Pirates-14th Reds-15th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Just how bad would the Reds offense be if they had to face the Reds pitching? https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/view/batting/season/2020/seasontype/2 https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/view/batting/season/2002/seasontype/2 Looked at this years team batting and right now the Reds are dead last in th MLB at .212. Went back as far as this web site allowed me to see the difference in batting average and that was 2002. In 2002 the lowest team batting average was .244 and today there are 14 teams below that average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/view/pitching/season/2020/seasontype/2 Look at the team pitching stats and the Dodgers i leading in ERA but it shows they had no quality starts. To me I can't see that is being true with how well Kershaw has pitched this year. It is not like it takes a whole lot to get a qualith start 6IP and 3 runs or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 16 hours ago, Seeking6 said: I think I saw on Tuesday that out of the 15 NL Teams. Here's the rankings at the time for team batting averages in NL Central. Cards-10th Cubs-12th Brewers-13th Pirates-14th Reds-15th IMHO BA not a good measure of offense. Runs scored/game is much better. The Cubs offense is in the middle of the pack there, but the others remain at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Seeking6 said: I think I saw on Tuesday that out of the 15 NL Teams. Here's the rankings at the time for team batting averages in NL Central. Cards-10th Cubs-12th Brewers-13th Pirates-14th Reds-15th I think the problem is most teams rely on home runs to score and if you are not hitting them then you don't score. I get upset with Votto a lot because he is more worried about walking than driving in runs. You have guys on first and second with two outs it is his job to drive that run in. Also when players are trying to work the count they sometimes take to many strikes down the middle of the plate. It seems like the Reds take so many strike 3's because they are either guessing or more worried about walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 Reds got some help from the Pirates tonight with them beating the Cardinals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 8 hours ago, IU Scott said: Reds got some help from the Pirates tonight with them beating the Cardinals. The Reds are now the 6th seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, rico said: The Reds are now the 6th seed. Yep... AMERICAN LEAGUE No. 1 White Sox* vs. No. 8 Blue Jays No. 2 Rays* vs. No. 7 Indians No. 3 Athletics vs. No. 6 Astros No. 4 Twins vs. No. 5 Yankees NATIONAL LEAGUE No. 1 Dodgers* vs. No. 8 Phillies No. 2 Cubs vs. No. 7 Giants No. 3 Braves vs. No. 6 Reds No. 4 Padres vs. No. 5 Marlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 12 hours ago, IU Scott said: I think the problem is most teams rely on home runs to score and if you are not hitting them then you don't score. I get upset with Votto a lot because he is more worried about walking than driving in runs. You have guys on first and second with two outs it is his job to drive that run in. Also when players are trying to work the count they sometimes take to many strikes down the middle of the plate. It seems like the Reds take so many strike 3's because they are either guessing or more worried about walking. I actually think Votto has been better the last few weeks about looking to drive the ball rather than just walk. As for guessing pitches that's just the reality of the game now. Most batters have to guess anymore the way that most pitchers are throwing. With the way velocity has gone up in the last couple of years you almost have to try and guess. To an extent. It's also trying to read what the pitcher is doing along with what your scouting inforation tells about the pitchers pitch sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, DC2345 said: I actually think Votto has been better the last few weeks about looking to drive the ball rather than just walk. As for guessing pitches that's just the reality of the game now. Most batters have to guess anymore the way that most pitchers are throwing. With the way velocity has gone up in the last couple of years you almost have to try and guess. To an extent. It's also trying to read what the pitcher is doing along with what your scouting inforation tells about the pitchers pitch sequence. Can't disagree with anything ya said there. The point remains the Reds don't need Votto getting "picky" when he should be hitting the ball. I think a few Cub players have the "Votto syndrome." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, rico said: I think a few Cub players have the "Votto syndrome." Baez sure don't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Baez sure don't... Maybe he would be better served with Rizzo's and Contreras' approach...try to get HBP.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, rico said: Maybe he would be better served with Rizzo's and Contreras' approach...try to get HBP.... He'd still swing at it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, rico said: Can't disagree with anything ya said there. The point remains the Reds don't need Votto getting "picky" when he should be hitting the ball. I think a few Cub players have the "Votto syndrome." The Reds do have a few guys that do need to take some notes from Votto though. Lord knows I've seen Castellanos, Suarez, and a few others swing and miss at curveballs outside that aren't even close to the zone. That said they are sitting outside fastball typically and guessed wrong or they just didn't recognize but either way it does get annoying to see them do it over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 Baez did get the game winning hit in the 10th with bases loaded and 2 outs the other night...just saying. He drives me crazy too at times with his lack of plate discipline but he seems to make an awful lot of big moment game winning plays as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 41 minutes ago, FritzIam4IU said: Baez did get the game winning hit in the 10th with bases loaded and 2 outs the other night...just saying. He drives me crazy too at times with his lack of plate discipline but he seems to make an awful lot of big moment game winning plays as well. The thing with me is, he's such an immensely talented guy, if he'd just be more selective...I've seen him power swing and miss by 3 feet...7 walks this year...7...and 65 Ks...that's more than a 9-1 ratio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, IUFLA said: The thing with me is, he's such an immensely talented guy, if he'd just be more selective...I've seen him power swing and miss by 3 feet...7 walks this year...7...and 65 Ks...that's more than a 9-1 ratio... Yeah he definitely frustrates me as well, but he is one player who I have just learned to accept the good and bad. I liked Shawon Dunston back in the day and he missed by 3 feet all the time on pitches over his head and despite his cannon arm at SS...he didn't have nearly the talent Baez has. I don't think Baez will ever be a completely disciplined player, but he has so much raw talent and instincts that he is one player I think the Cubs should sign up long term and roll with it. Hopefully he gains some control as he ages, but worse case scenario...he is still one player who can completely change a game in many ways (he is maybe the best I have ever seen at the "slap tag" in the field. I believe he gets in the head of the other team on the bases as well (high energy/aggressive/unpredictable). Just my .02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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