IUaic Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 14 hours ago, milehiiu said: And change the name from the B1G to the Coast to Coast and Gulf Conference. I remember when Bobby Knight opposed the addition of Penn State, due to travel time. He was concerned about the time taken away from classes for his student/athletes. Can you imagine IU playing a game in Maryland, and then having to travel a couple of days later to California ? Think outside the box. It is adding 2 enormous TV markets. Maryland or Rutgers to California is what, a 4 hour plane ride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, IUaic said: Think outside the box. It is adding 2 enormous TV markets. Maryland or Rutgers to California is what, a 4 hour plane ride? flight time maryland to california five hours 11 minutes That's not the hard one. Going from West to East is the one that taxes more energy out of the body. At least that has always been the case for me. Oh. Don't get me wrong. I like the idea, of a coast to coast conference, seeing as how we no longer have a truly Midwest footprint. If we're going to keep those teams on the East Coast, why not expand to the Pacific, and the Gulf Coast as well. Wouldn't it be something if Kelvin Sampson wound back up in our conference ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, IUaic said: Think outside the box. It is adding 2 enormous TV markets. Maryland or Rutgers to California is what, a 4 hour plane ride? The thing is there are more than just two sports effected by this. Most schools have 20+ sports to worry about and have travel plans for each one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUaic Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, IU Scott said: The thing is there are more than just two sports effected by this. Most schools have 20+ sports to worry about and have travel plans for each one of them. Each team is getting $51 Mil from the TV contract. I would estimate that number going up at the very least another $15 Mil by adding those 2 markets. That is more than enough to cover the additional travel / planning expenses of all of the athletic teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 9:07 PM, rico said: And after Ga.Tech? Need a 16th team. In the thread that led to this one, I mentioned G Tech and Virginia. GT for the Atlanta (9th largest) market/ in roads to the SE. There was a lot of discussion about them prior to the last round of expansion. VA is not to far from MD and cements the Wash DC market (#6 market- Baltimore #21). 4.5 hrs to PSU. More East coast pull. I'd prefer 2 eastern teams so IU can move into the West division vs 2 west teams. Plus, while MO or KS would be solid, there just isn't the $ that can be derived elsewhere (Kansas City is #31). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Reacher said: In the thread that led to this one, I mentioned G Tech and Virginia. GT for the Atlanta (9th largest) market/ in roads to the SE. There was a lot of discussion about them prior to the last round of expansion. VA is not to far from MD and cements the Wash DC market (#6 market- Baltimore #21). 4.5 hrs to PSU. More East coast pull. I'd prefer 2 eastern teams so IU can move into the West division vs 2 west teams. Plus, while MO or KS would be solid, there just isn't the $ that can be derived elsewhere (Kansas City is #31). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas I would love to have the Jackets and Cavs in the B1G... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 The thing I've always felt with Virginia is that they're a somewhat entrenched ACC name....but I guess you could have said the same for Maryland. Actually, for realistic possibilities, they'd work well. They'd at least give another regional rival to PSU/Maryland/The Fightin' Snookis Rutgers. One that doesn't get mentioned, probably because again, it's not a huge TV market, is Vanderbilt. I always thought they'd be a good balance/rival for NW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Reacher said: In the thread that led to this one, I mentioned G Tech and Virginia. GT for the Atlanta (9th largest) market/ in roads to the SE. There was a lot of discussion about them prior to the last round of expansion. VA is not to far from MD and cements the Wash DC market (#6 market- Baltimore #21). 4.5 hrs to PSU. More East coast pull. I'd prefer 2 eastern teams so IU can move into the West division vs 2 west teams. Plus, while MO or KS would be solid, there just isn't the $ that can be derived elsewhere (Kansas City is #31). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas Does Maryland not bring in the dc market already? They even played the B1G tourney out there in 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: Does Maryland not bring in the dc market already? They even played the B1G tourney out there in 2017 Partially, but UVa has a huge presence in terms of alumni inside the beltway. You'd pick up a lot more active interest vs passing interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: The thing I've always felt with Virginia is that they're a somewhat entrenched ACC name....but I guess you could have said the same for Maryland. Actually, for realistic possibilities, they'd work well. They'd at least give another regional rival to PSU/Maryland/The Fightin' Snookis Rutgers. One that doesn't get mentioned, probably because again, it's not a huge TV market, is Vanderbilt. I always thought they'd be a good balance/rival for NW. I guess I would ask...Why did Maryland leave the ACC? Was it about money? Was it about academics? Was it about the conference getting flooded from non-traditional ACC schools? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, rico said: Was it about money? Was it about academics? Was it about the conference getting flooded from non-traditional ACC schools? They got the invitation based on #2. They made the jump because of #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: The thing I've always felt with Virginia is that they're a somewhat entrenched ACC name....but I guess you could have said the same for Maryland. Actually, for realistic possibilities, they'd work well. They'd at least give another regional rival to PSU/Maryland/The Fightin' Snookis Rutgers. One that doesn't get mentioned, probably because again, it's not a huge TV market, is Vanderbilt. I always thought they'd be a good balance/rival for NW. I like the idea of Vanderbilt as well. According to the list from Wikipedia, Baltimore is a separate market from Wash DC/ VA. Not sure if the Big10 Netork is already in VA, adding VA would help boost its demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, rico said: .Why did Maryland leave the ACC? Was it about money? Was it about academics? Was it about the conference getting flooded from non-traditional ACC schools? MD joined the same time as Rutgers. I think geography/ markets were the key reason the Big 10 chose them. Not sure from the MD perspective but Zline probably right they went for the $. I wonder what % of MD fans are happy with move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Reacher said: I like the idea of Vanderbilt as well. According to the list from Wikipedia, Baltimore is a separate market from Wash DC/ VA. Not sure if the Big10 Netork is already in VA, adding VA would help boost its demand. Officially, yes, it's a separate market. Unofficially, it's a blurry line. There's a ton of people that commute from Baltimore to Washington. It's only about a 30 minute express train ride away. And actually the only time I've been to Washington, I flew into Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Regarding the ACC. Early in the football season I was watching a pre-game show out of South Bend. One announcer was talking about the rich tradition of the ACC. The other announcer laughed and said it is hard to have a lot of tradition if only 7 original members remain and it is a 15 team conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUALUM03 Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Don't forget North Carolina was mentioned during the last realignment discussions and would add a growing market in Charlotte and The Triangle. Those will both be major cities as time moves forward. Some people even say eventually Charlotte and Atlanta will be one large megalopolis. Additionally, don't underestimate how research $$$ plays into this. This may not be a factor in other conferences, but it is for the B1G and it's collection of research institutions. There is a reason why we have welcomed the likes of Johns Hopkins in Lacrosse, Notre Dame in Hockey, and still have academic ties to University of Chicago (an original B1G member). https://www.btaa.org/ https://www.maizenbrew.com/2010/6/10/1511330/big-ten-expansion-and-the-cic-are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, IUALUM03 said: Don't forget North Carolina was mentioned during the last realignment discussions and would add a growing market in Charlotte and The Triangle. Those will both be major cities as time moves forward. Some people even say eventually Charlotte and Atlanta will be one large megalopolis. Charlotte would be a great market...but do you think the B1G wants anything to do with UNC? Or if the Tar Heels came calling that the B1G would overlook their transgressions? I mean after all we do have Penn St. and Sparty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUALUM03 Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, rico said: Charlotte would be a great market...but do you think the B1G wants anything to do with UNC? Or if the Tar Heels came calling that the B1G would overlook their transgressions? I mean after all we do have Penn St. and Sparty... Not saying that is the play in the current state or even possible, but it was tossed around seriously at the time. I think it was taken seriously because Delany was a UNC alum. Also, in confirming Delany's ties to UNC on his wiki, I found it interesting to know that 25% of all US households. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Delany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 If we expand I would rather see other Midwest schools like KU and Missouri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, IUALUM03 said: Not saying that is the play in the current state or even possible, but it was tossed around seriously at the time. I think it was taken seriously because Delany was a UNC alum. Oh, I know it was talked about seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, IUALUM03 said: Not saying that is the play in the current state or even possible, but it was tossed around seriously at the time. I think it was taken seriously because Delany was a UNC alum. Also, in confirming Delany's ties to UNC on his wiki, I found it interesting to know that 25% of all US households. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Delany What about 25% of all us households? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Here's a totally whacked out idea......University of Toronto. They are an AAU member, you can't find a bigger media market available, and yes, they even compete in all major varsity sports, including (American) football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: Here's a totally whacked out idea......University of Toronto. They are an AAU member, you can't find a bigger media market available, and yes, they even compete in all major varsity sports, including (American) football. They don't use that funky 110 yard field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: Here's a totally whacked out idea......University of Toronto. They are an AAU member, you can't find a bigger media market available, and yes, they even compete in all major varsity sports, including (American) football. Now that is some true thinking outside the box...I likey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, NotIThatLives said: What about 25% of all us households? ...25% of U.S. households are in the geographic region of the B1G conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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