IU Scott Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Reading on here we all are upset with bracettologist and the net rankings so my question to you which they would not have these things posted on a daily basis. Like I said in another post yesterday I just think this stuff gets oversaturated and just makes everything a little bit less enjoyable. Are you guys glad that we have these things so we kind of know how we are positioned in the field or would you rather just be surprised on selection Sunday. Also we have to remember what these guys are predicting is just off of what they feel is the key components on selecting teams and not necessary what the selection committee will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, rico said: Rutgers has 1 win away from home... No team since 1994 has made it into the field with fewer than three wins away from home. The only one since 2007 to get in with fewer than four was Oklahoma, which had three in 2018. That was the Sooners squad that got off to an amazing start, only to crash and burn through most of conference play. Rutgers is another one of those teams (Along with Purdue, BYU, Houston) who's NET makes absolutely no sense. Rutgers is 3-7 vs Quad 1 (all wins home) has a Quad 4 loss (St. Bonaventure at Neutral) and a Quad 3 loss (@Pitt). Their best wins are at home Penn State, Illinois, and Wisconsin. They have exactly 1 road/neutral win......Nebraska. How in the hell are they 20 spots higher than IU in the NET!?!?! They are on the 8/9 line in almost all brackets. Being as high as a 6 seed in some!!! http://bracketmatrix.com/ The one thing about Rutgers, there is a very good chance they lose out the last 4 games and end up 18-13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, JugRox said: Rutgers is another one of those teams (Along with Purdue, BYU, Houston) who's NET makes absolutely no sense. Rutgers is 3-7 vs Quad 1 (all wins home) has a Quad 4 loss (St. Bonaventure at Neutral) and a Quad 3 loss (@Pitt). Their best wins are at home Penn State, Illinois, and Wisconsin. They have exactly 1 road/neutral win......Nebraska. How in the hell are they 20 spots higher than IU in the NET!?!?! I am pretty sure they beat Seton Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, rico said: I am pretty sure they beat Seton Hall. Yep. Missed that one. But that was at home as well. I don't see how they are 20 spots higher than IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Reading on here we all are upset with bracettologist and the net rankings so my question to you which they would not have these things posted on a daily basis. Like I said in another post yesterday I just think this stuff gets oversaturated and just makes everything a little bit less enjoyable. Are you guys glad that we have these things so we kind of know how we are positioned in the field or would you rather just be surprised on selection Sunday. Also we have to remember what these guys are predicting is just off of what they feel is the key components on selecting teams and not necessary what the selection committee will do. I don't know about you but going back into the 80's me and my buddies would haggle over the sagarin ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, JugRox said: Yep. Missed that one. But that was at home as well. I don't see how they are 20 spots higher than IU. I don't either. Not even a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, rico said: I don't know about you but going back into the 80's me and my buddies would haggle over the sagarin ratings. I never really looked at those ratings just the top 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I never really looked at those ratings just the top 25 Well, there used to be only a Top 20, but to my point Sagarin was used by the Selection Committee before this NET or BPI or whatever. Us basketball junkies followed Sagarin back then like people follow the NET and Quads today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology Well having us play Richmond in the play in game brings back bad memories of the lost to them in 1988 first round. I think Lunardi tries to matchup certain teams because of stories like us playing Arizona if we win the play in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just proof that different guys must look at different things because Jerry Palm has us as a 9 seed playing 8 LSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsorgi Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, IU Scott said: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology Well having us play Richmond in the play in game brings back bad memories of the lost to them in 1988 first round. I think Lunardi tries to matchup certain teams because of stories like us playing Arizona if we win the play in game. Lunardi has always overly relied on NET/RPI for his bracket. He does pretty poorly... seems likely that he is low on IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 I just looked at Rutgers' remaining schedule...ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, rico said: I just looked at Rutgers' remaining schedule...ouch. Without looking they have to have mainly road games because it seems like they always play at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsorgi Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, JugRox said: Rutgers is another one of those teams (Along with Purdue, BYU, Houston) who's NET makes absolutely no sense. Rutgers is 3-7 vs Quad 1 (all wins home) has a Quad 4 loss (St. Bonaventure at Neutral) and a Quad 3 loss (@Pitt). Their best wins are at home Penn State, Illinois, and Wisconsin. They have exactly 1 road/neutral win......Nebraska. How in the hell are they 20 spots higher than IU in the NET!?!?! They are on the 8/9 line in almost all brackets. Being as high as a 6 seed in some!!! http://bracketmatrix.com/ The one thing about Rutgers, there is a very good chance they lose out the last 4 games and end up 18-13. I think Rutgers is much closer to IU in terms of bracket positioning that people realize for the reasons noted above.. But with the NET: a big part of it is how they weight efficiency. When we have lost, we have lost big - which shows up in two components of the NET (scoring margin and net efficiency). That's what's dragging IU down. Rutgers will show more generously here. On the other hand, scoring margin for NET is capped at 10 points - so "too close" games against bad teams aren't as negative as in something like KenPom. Example: the difference between Rutgers beating Bryant by only 2 points and IU beating Troy by 38 points is discounted (which is the biggest reason IU shows up better in more "pure" efficiency rankings). The NET is sort of a weird hybrid between results-oriented rankings (purely W/L and who you have played) and efficiency-oriented rankings (e.g., KenPom, or Sagarin). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: Without looking they have to have mainly road games because it seems like they always play at home. at Wisconsin, at Penn St., Maryland, at Purdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, rico said: at Wisconsin, at Penn St., Maryland, at Purdue WOW, be lucky to pull out 2 of those out or worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 PS....Lunardi is ranked 55th as most accurate predictor. http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Zville Hoosier said: Between Lunardi and the NET I can’t even look at that nonsense anymore or I’ll just get mad. So ridiculous Lunardi's problem is he is using the raw NET number and is apparently too stupid to look at the supporting data behind the number. He's so dumb and / or lazy, that, if I hacked the NET system and put Incarnate Word at the top of the rankings, they would magically appear in Joe's bracket as a #1 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Seeking6 said: PS....Lunardi is ranked 55th as most accurate predictor. #54 is a goat from Bismark, North Dakota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: PS....Lunardi is ranked 55th as most accurate predictor. http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html Jerry Palm converted his Purdue education into an 85th place in these rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhinithreeMagic Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 The IU/Rutgers discrepancy is hard to come to terms with reviewing the two resumes. The NET also seems to be the only major ranking metric that has such a large deviation (BPI, Pomeroy, Sagarin all close). The only theory that I can come up with is that Quad 2 victories are not valued much lower than Q1 at all and margin of victory is a very heavy influence (moreso than 5th of out 5 factors would insinuate). More of IU's Quad 1 games ended up being double figure outcomes, but IU also owns 4 of the 5 best wins between the two teams while Rutgers also owns by far the 2 worst losses. Also - here's a fun one. 21 spots ahead of IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Do they factor head to head results in? We did lose at Rutgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Do they factor head to head results in? We did lose at Rutgers. No. If they did, I would hope someone could explain Minnesota with a better NET....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, JugRox said: No. If they did, I would hope someone could explain Minnesota with a better NET....lol Yeah it appears the NET is a complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, PhinithreeMagic said: The IU/Rutgers discrepancy is hard to come to terms with reviewing the two resumes. The NET also seems to be the only major ranking metric that has such a large deviation (BPI, Pomeroy, Sagarin all close). The only theory that I can come up with is that Quad 2 victories are not valued much lower than Q1 at all and margin of victory is a very heavy influence (moreso than 5th of out 5 factors would insinuate). More of IU's Quad 1 games ended up being double figure outcomes, but IU also owns 4 of the 5 best wins between the two teams while Rutgers also owns by far the 2 worst losses. Also - here's a fun one. 21 spots ahead of IU. Yep, it seems like there is absolutely no difference between a Quad 1 and Quad 2 win. That’s really the only thing that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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