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18 minutes ago, jv1972iu said:

I'm a little surprised that I haven't seen anyone mention Simon Stepaniak getting drafted.  Maybe I missed a thread, but I couldn't find anything.  No shoutouts??  What's up with that?  Usually any IU player getting drafted is worth a mention...right??  Nice job, Simon!!  Woohoo!!  😁

Packers related. I don't talk Packers. Even though I just did. Haha

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36 minutes ago, rico said:

I've really tried the whole life gives you lemons make lemonade deal since draft. I just have to admit I'll never be a fan of Pace.  As a Bears fan I try to objectively give him benefit of the doubt sometimes for the love of the team but every time I see his name I think Deshaun. 

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8 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

I've really tried the whole life gives you lemons make lemonade deal since draft. I just have to admit I'll never be a fan of Pace.  As a Bears fan I try to objectively give him benefit of the doubt sometimes for the love of the team but every time I see his name I think Deshaun. 

Or Patrick...he'll never shake that gaffe...

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14 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

I've really tried the whole life gives you lemons make lemonade deal since draft. I just have to admit I'll never be a fan of Pace.  As a Bears fan I try to objectively give him benefit of the doubt sometimes for the love of the team but every time I see his name I think Deshaun. 

 

5 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Or Patrick...he'll never shake that gaffe...

Or Jackson...My biggest issue with the entire Mitch debacle isn't that Pace drafted the wrong QB...that happens all the time, but that he traded up 1 spot in the draft to do it when all of the QBs were still available.

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3 minutes ago, FritzIam4IU said:

 

Or Jackson...My biggest issue with the entire Mitch debacle isn't that Pace drafted the wrong QB...that happens all the time, but that he traded up 1 spot in the draft to do it when all of the QBs were still available.

I wish I could think this way honestly. Besides the moving up as you mentioned....there's absolutely no NFL GM (besides ours) that would have taken Mitch over Deshaun. It was that easy of a call. 

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1 minute ago, Seeking6 said:

I wish I could think this way honestly. Besides the moving up as you mentioned....there's absolutely no NFL GM (besides ours) that would have taken Mitch over Deshaun. It was that easy of a call. 

Don't get me wrong...I was shocked he took Mitch and figured he would take Watson if available, but I was dumbfounded when he felt the need to trade up one spot to do it.

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22 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

I wish I could think this way honestly. Besides the moving up as you mentioned....there's absolutely no NFL GM (besides ours) that would have taken Mitch over Deshaun. It was that easy of a call. 

Still no one will ever be as incompetent as Grigson.  Luck would probably still be playing and Indy would have another SB if he had the slightest clue as to what he was doing. 

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18 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

Still no one will ever be as incompetent as Grigson.  Luck would probably still be playing and Indy would have another SB if he had the slightest clue as to what he was doing. 

Maybe tonight I'll do a side by side comparison of picks and moves but I still go with Pace because his mistake was the most important position on the field. I will say Grigson did probably end Luck's career.

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20 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Maybe tonight I'll do a side by side comparison of picks and moves but I still go with Pace because his mistake was the most important position on the field. I will say Grigson did probably end Luck's career.

Trubisky has the tools. That said he should have never been a starter his rookie year. They should’ve had a veteran stop gap in place for him to learn from and they didn’t. Glennon wasn’t anything more than a back up and didn’t benefit Trubisky at all. I tend to think Pogano was more at fault for Luck’s injuries than Grigson. 

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1 hour ago, DC2345 said:

Trubisky has the tools. That said he should have never been a starter his rookie year. They should’ve had a veteran stop gap in place for him to learn from and they didn’t. Glennon wasn’t anything more than a back up and didn’t benefit Trubisky at all. I tend to think Pogano was more at fault for Luck’s injuries than Grigson. 

Trubisky has the tools?  What do you see that I don't?

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1 hour ago, rico said:

Trubisky has the tools?  What do you see that I don't?

He’s a decent athlete, he’s got a strong arm, and he’s got decent size. He was thrown out to the wolves to soon and he’s still struggling because of it. I must say I’m not a bears fan so I don’t feel to strongly on this one. 

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17 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

He’s a decent athlete, he’s got a strong arm, and he’s got decent size. He was thrown out to the wolves to soon and he’s still struggling because of it. I must say I’m not a bears fan so I don’t feel to strongly on this one. 

I'm more worried about his inability to read defenses, lack of pocket awareness, and lack of accuracy than anything. 

Brady, Manning, and Brees aren't physically superior to their peers, but they "get it" as far as studying and practice. Not sure that's something that's easily taught.

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5 hours ago, DC2345 said:

Trubisky has the tools. That said he should have never been a starter his rookie year. They should’ve had a veteran stop gap in place for him to learn from and they didn’t. Glennon wasn’t anything more than a back up and didn’t benefit Trubisky at all. I tend to think Pogano was more at fault for Luck’s injuries than Grigson. 

Watched him in college and saw enough that shouldn't even sniffed round 1 and probably should be where Fromm and Eason were drafted this year. So far after 3 seasons in the league he hasn't shown me a thing to change that. The Bears drafted Blake Bortles 2.0 with the 2nd overall pick. Just can't make that mistake.

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4 hours ago, IUFLA said:

I'm more worried about his inability to read defenses, lack of pocket awareness, and lack of accuracy than anything. 

Brady, Manning, and Brees aren't physically superior to their peers, but they "get it" as far as studying and practice. Not sure that's something that's easily taught.

That’s why I said what I did. It can be. You should go back and look at the TO’s Manning and Brees had early on. They grew out of it. As for the time put in there are plenty of guys that need to learn that part but it helps if a veteran is in place. That’s why Eason behind Rivers and Brissett makes sense time will tell,  Mahomes behind Smith, Rodgers behind Favre even thought Favre wasn’t a great mentor and I could go on and on. Trubisky wasn’t a day one starter and the Bears didn’t do him any favors imo.

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