btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, BGleas said: Should we list all of the things he's done that no other quarterback in history has done? That might take a few pages. But like talent.. hes excellent in a system. Excellent. Hes NOT some just ungodly talent. Never has been. He throws really good seam routes, and he does a great job of checking it down. Again system. But as far as him being the most talented QB... my goodness, no. I've never just watched TB12 and just been overly impressed with what I saw. Good decision making, usually though. It wasn't today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, BGleas said: The way the salary cap is in the NFL was literally built to deliver parody and prevent what Brady, Belichick and the Cmon lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, btownqb said: But like talent.. hes excellent in a system. Excellent. Hes NOT some just ungodly talent. Never has been. He throws really good seam routes, and he does a great job of checking it down. Again system. But as far as him being the most talented QB... my goodness, no. I've never just watched TB12 and just been overly impressed with what I saw. Good decision making, usually though. It wasn't today. Those are subjective type of things thought. Does Aaron Rodgers have a better arm? Sure. Is almost everyone a better runner as a QB? Sure. But Tom Brady is the GOAT by miles. There is nobody even close to him in terms of what he's accomplished in the game. It's not even a discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Cmon lol Cmon, what? The NFL has been designed that way for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, BGleas said: Those are subjective type of things thought. Does Aaron Rodgers have a better arm? Sure. Is almost everyone a better runner as a QB? Sure. But Tom Brady is the GOAT by miles. There is nobody even close to him in terms of what he's accomplished in the game. It's not even a discussion. I agree the teams he's been on have accomplished more. 3 of those they had to cheat. I don't consider the QB some ungodly important postion like many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, BGleas said: Cmon, what? The NFL has been designed that way for decades. Not just for TB12 though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: But like talent.. hes excellent in a system. Excellent. Hes NOT some just ungodly talent. Never has been. He throws really good seam routes, and he does a great job of checking it down. Again system. But as far as him being the most talented QB... my goodness, no. I've never just watched TB12 and just been overly impressed with what I saw. Good decision making, usually though. It wasn't today. Nobody said he was the most talented but you said he is overrated and that is what people find absurd. Just because he is not the most athletic doesn't mean he wasn't the best QB. Larry Bird was not the most talented but he is still one of the best players of all time. Younger generation just looks at measurements when evaluating talent and not intangibles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, BGleas said: Cmon, what? The NFL has been designed that way for decades. If it was do easy to win then everyone would do the same thing. The Colts of the 2000's had the best regular season record but just got to two Super Bowls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Not just for TB12 though Right, the NFL designed their system to prevent dynasties and deliver parody. I'm not saying it was designed to stop Brady and Belichick specifically, but what the Patriots did was way more impressive than what say the Steelers, Cowboys or 49ers did. The salary cap was designed to prevent what the Patriots accomplished and they did it anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: Nobody said he was the most talented but you said he is overrated and that is what people find absurd. Just because he is not the most athletic doesn't mean he wasn't the best QB. Larry Bird was not the most talented but he is still one of the best players of all time. Younger generation just looks at measurements when evaluating talent and not intangibles. No.. younger generations don't, silly comment. If just simply winning the absolute ONLY measurement of a QB.. sure he's really good. I wouldn't use that as my only barometer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, btownqb said: I agree the teams he's been on have accomplished more. 3 of those they had to cheat. I don't consider the QB some ungodly important postion like many. I'm not getting into a debate about it, but we can agree to disagree on the cheating. A lot of media have run with misconceptions and narratives on those topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: If it was do easy to win then everyone would do the same thing. The Colts of the 2000's had the best regular season record but just got to two Super Bowls. The Patriots do excellent job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, btownqb said: No.. younger generations don't, silly comment. If just simply winning the absolute ONLY measurement of a QB.. sure he's really good. I wouldn't use that as my only barometer. How about TD passes, yards, winning, completions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, btownqb said: No.. younger generations don't, silly comment. If just simply winning the absolute ONLY measurement of a QB.. sure he's really good. I wouldn't use that as my only barometer. But it's not like he's Trent Dilfer with the wins, his individual numbers stack with the best too, then he's miles and miles ahead on the winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, BGleas said: But it's not like he's Trent Dilfer with the wins, his individual numbers stack with the best too, then he's miles and miles ahead on the winning. Truthfully I view TB12 as a good Trent Dilfer, absolutely nothing more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, IU Scott said: How about TD passes, yards, winning, completions Yeah when you play 50 years your raw stats will look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, btownqb said: Truthfully I view TB12 as a good Trent Dilfer, absolutely nothing more. I can't even craft a response to that!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, BGleas said: I can't even craft a response to that!?!? I think he was excellent, in an excellent system. He was never hung out to dry, the short passing, the running game, the defense, the SPT have been immaculate. He played under the best football coach the league has ever seen and he thrived. I don't view him more than that. I never watched a Pats game and thought... wow, where would they be without TB12? Literally the best team in AFC one year removed from him with a rookie QB and Jacobi Myers as their best WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, btownqb said: Truthfully I view TB12 as a good Trent Dilfer, absolutely nothing more. Truthfully I view Michael Jordan as a good Darko Milicic, absolutely nothing more 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: Truthfully I view Michael Jordan as a good Darko Milicic, absolutely nothing more That would be a heck of an argument lol Basketball much different than football in regards to ONE player. Massively different. Edited November 28, 2021 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, btownqb said: I think he was excellent, in an excellent system. He was never hung out to dry, the short passing, the running game, the defense, the SPT have been immaculate. He played under the best football coach the league has ever seen and he thrived. I don't view him more than that. I never watched a Pats game and thought... wow, where would they be without TB12? Literally the best team in AFC one year removed from him with a rookie QB and Jacobi Myers as their best WR. I guess In your mind that Joe Montana is overrated as well. All he did was win and complete passes but did not have an elite arm. I guess going by your reasoning guys like Jeff George is an elite QB since he has all the measurables. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: I guess In your mind that Joe Montana is overrated as well. All he did was win and complete passes but did not have an elite arm. I guess going by your reasoning guys like Jeff George is an elite QB since he has all the measurables. Have I even brought up measurables? Even once? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: Have I even brought up measurables? Even once? 🤔 Yes, you did when you talked about Brady's not having a great arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, IU Scott said: Yes, you did when you talked about Brady's not having a great arm Show me once where the words "not having a great arm" were in any of my responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, btownqb said: Show me once where the words "not having a great arm" were in any of my responses. When you said he is not ungodly talented and not impressed with what you see means. To me that says that he is not that athletic which is what I put as measurables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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