Zuckerkorn Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: Wasn't sure where to put this. Anyone else surprised that Mack has 5 top 100 commits for Louisville while facing additional charges? Seems odd is all. Also....Cuonzo Martin flipped another one last night. 4 star player who was supposed to go to Minnesota is headed for Missouri now. I can't remember the coach who said it but there was someone who basically said he only started recruiting players when they committed somewhere because he wanted to know who the competition was....haha. Seems like Cuonzo is doing the same. Th UL thing does surprise me and I tend to be a bit cynical by nature. That a quality coach would take the job and be able to draw high level recruits is really strange given the situation. Maybe everyone has been given some kind of assurance that any NCAA actions will be minor, years away, or non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Zuckerkorn said: Th UL thing does surprise me and I tend to be a bit cynical by nature. That a quality coach would take the job and be able to draw high level recruits is really strange given the situation. Maybe everyone has been given some kind of assurance that any NCAA actions will be minor, years away, or non-existent. Nah, Louisville is a blue blood and now they got their man that wants to be there. And besides....NBA scouts will still be in the stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, rico said: Nah, Louisville is a blue blood and now they got their man that wants to be there. And besides....NBA scouts will still be in the stands. And if they blow the program from the earth because they committed more violations after being on probation? To me it just seems odd. I mean...I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Louisville is going to get more sanctions, banned from tourney,etc....right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonV Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 55 minutes ago, rico said: Nah, Louisville is a blue blood and now they got their man that wants to be there. And besides....NBA scouts will still be in the stands. Louisville a blue blood? Hard pass on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, CrimsonV said: Louisville a blue blood? Hard pass on that. Okay.... Best program that isn't a blue blood then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: And if they blow the program from the earth because they committed more violations after being on probation? To me it just seems odd. I mean...I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Louisville is going to get more sanctions, banned from tourney,etc....right? Anything is possible one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 Pure speculation on my part, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s business as usual at Louisville. If not now, then eventually. The only difference between their fans and Kentucky’s is the color shirt they put on on game day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonV Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 43 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Okay.... Best program that isn't a blue blood then. I’d pick a couple handfuls of others first. Villanova and Mich St to name a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 Regardless of how it was achieved, Louisville has had significantly more success than IU over the last 25 years. IU needs to do something soon to hold onto 'blue blood' status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonV Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Regardless of how it was achieved, Louisville has had significantly more success than IU over the last 25 years. IU needs to do something soon to hold onto 'blue blood' status. Those gears are already turning and that engine looks strong to go for miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, CrimsonV said: I’d pick a couple handfuls of others first. Villanova and Mich St to name a few I mean pick whatever you want, but Louisiville has more wins, more conference titles, more tournament appearances, more final fours and as many or more national titles than both of those teams. Would love to hear the logic you apply to saying either of them is the better program historically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonV Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I mean pick whatever you want, but Louisiville has more wins, more conference titles, more tournament appearances, more final fours and as many or more national titles than both of those teams. Would love to hear the logic you apply to saying either of them is the better program historically. I see what you did there. Tallied up all those vacated crowns and wins. Whole lot easier to rack up wins when you played in the Metro conference or CUSA for years. UL MSU VU Titles 2 2 3 F4 8 9 5 E8 11 13 13 S16 24 19 17 Tourn Invite 38 32 37 Wins 1680 1698 1753 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieBall13 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, CrimsonV said: I see what you did there. Tallied up all those vacated crowns and wins. Whole lot easier to rack up wins when you played in the Metro conference or CUSA for years. UL MSU VU Titles 2 2 3 F4 8 9 5 E8 11 13 13 S16 24 19 17 Tourn Invite 38 32 37 Wins 1680 1698 1753 I'm curious, where would you rank Louisville program-wise nationwide? I'd say you'd be hard-pressed to find them outside the Top 10 at least. Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, IU, UCLA, Villanova, MSU...those would be the max number of teams I can think of currently that you could argue be ahead of Louisville. That would put them #9 nationwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 40 minutes ago, ArchieBall13 said: I'm curious, where would you rank Louisville program-wise nationwide? I'd say you'd be hard-pressed to find them outside the Top 10 at least. Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, IU, UCLA, Villanova, MSU...those would be the max number of teams I can think of currently that you could argue be ahead of Louisville. That would put them #9 nationwide. In fairness it hasn’t been that long for Louisville. They’ve been in that group for sure, will they stay in it? What about Cuse and UCONN? Cuse btw was built on Boheim’s repeated cheating, routinely played ineligible players, etc. Vill may stay in that group but they may fall off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, ArchieBall13 said: I'm curious, where would you rank Louisville program-wise nationwide? I'd say you'd be hard-pressed to find them outside the Top 10 at least. Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, IU, UCLA, Villanova, MSU...those would be the max number of teams I can think of currently that you could argue be ahead of Louisville. That would put them #9 nationwide. Hate to say it, but based on the last 15 years, we don't belong on this list. Nor does UCLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieBall13 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Steubenhoosier said: Hate to say it, but based on the last 15 years, we don't belong on this list. Nor does UCLA. Yea can't disagree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonV Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, ArchieBall13 said: I'm curious, where would you rank Louisville program-wise nationwide? I'd say you'd be hard-pressed to find them outside the Top 10 at least. Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, IU, UCLA, Villanova, MSU...those would be the max number of teams I can think of currently that you could argue be ahead of Louisville. That would put them #9 nationwide. Admittedly, I grew up down that way and have a distaste for them. 11th behind UConn and Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 hours ago, CrimsonV said: I see what you did there. Tallied up all those vacated crowns and wins. Whole lot easier to rack up wins when you played in the Metro conference or CUSA for years. UL MSU VU Titles 2 2 3 F4 8 9 5 E8 11 13 13 S16 24 19 17 Tourn Invite 38 32 37 Wins 1680 1698 1753 Hmmmmmm, this looks pretty damn good no matter what conference you are in..... https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/louisville/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, rico said: Hmmmmmm, this looks pretty damn good no matter what conference you are in..... https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/louisville/ How much of that ends up vacated? We know they were paying players and buying strippers/prostitutes for them. That doesn't sound much like the actions of a blue blood program to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, FKIM01 said: How much of that ends up vacated? We know they were paying players and buying strippers/prostitutes for them. That doesn't sound much like the actions of a blue blood program to me. Ask UCLA and North Carolina about those things. Hell, 'Nova had a guy say he was on coke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, rico said: Ask UCLA and North Carolina about those things. Hell, 'Nova had a guy say he was on coke. Unfortunately, you can't always control the actions of a player, especially if you have no knowledge of the infraction until he's gone. As to UCLA paying players and North Carolina keeping players eligible with fake classes, those aren't actions of blue blood programs either. I'm thoroughly disgusted at most of the so-called "blue blood" programs. If their success is the product of cheating, I don't know how we consider them blue blood programs. I consider them successful cheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Unfortunately, you can't always control the actions of a player, especially if you have no knowledge of the infraction until he's gone. As to UCLA paying players and North Carolina keeping players eligible with fake classes, those aren't actions of blue blood programs either. I'm thoroughly disgusted at most of the so-called "blue blood" programs. If their success is the product of cheating, I don't know how we consider them blue blood programs. I consider them successful cheaters. You asked me a question.....there be the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 hours ago, FKIM01 said: How much of that ends up vacated? We know they were paying players and buying strippers/prostitutes for them. That doesn't sound much like the actions of a blue blood program to me. It sounds exactly like the actions of a blue blood, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: It sounds exactly like the actions of a blue blood, to me. If that's a blue blood, I hope IU is never considered one. I'll settle for winning program with good representation in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 7 hours ago, FKIM01 said: If that's a blue blood, I hope IU is never considered one. I'll settle for winning program with good representation in the NBA. Here is one for you..... https://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/ncaa-probation-and-division-i-college-basketball/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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