Parakeet Jones Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 So did the admin tell Crean what to do as well?  If so a lot of folks owe him an apology. They were giving him some great advice back in 12 and 13.  Too bad they forgot what to do as the years have passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Colonialcrester said: RZ, this is what Don Fischer said, not Scott. Scott generally has a very strong opinion and goes on the attack. i think that's what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 I agree Archie should just ignore them and get fired because that’s what it’s going to come to anyway.  I didn’t believe it when I heard it either, but when Fisch says something along the same lines I listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonialcrester Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: Scott generally has a very strong opinion and goes on the attack. i think that's what he meant. Scott can be aggressive but so was this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoutofsix Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said: I’m sure it happens to other sports too, I just don’t necessarily ask about the other sports.  Plus the Admin wants to be known as an educational institution not a basketball school.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not sure what University wants to be known more for athletics than academics. IU makes more exceptions with admissions to get student athletes in than lets say Notre Dame, etc. They built facilities to be part of the arms race.  It honestly doesnt make sense. A silly provocative statement from me is...that didn't put one of the largest jumbotrons in AH and Memorial for graduation only purposes. They installed to better see the product on the floor, etc. They want to win, and win with dignity. Tom Allen can go crazy but Archie Miller can't. You can have expectations and discipline without being Kevin Wilson.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Not saying this can't be true, but if it truly is free reign for the players then why would Forrester leave? If true, though, then do you stick with Archie longer on the assumption he'll be more productive once all of the holdovers have left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Sorry, I just don’t buy this at all.  No athletic department in the country operates this way... It doesn’t even make sense how they could operate this way even if they wanted to.  Whenever the heat has really turned up on Archie during these losing streaks the last two years, we always get these kind of “leaks.”  This one doesn’t even come close to passing the smell test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Zero Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Colonialcrester said: RZ, this is what Don Fischer said, not Scott. Hmmm ...   I read Scott’s post as commentary on what 0708 was reporting Don said on the Dakich show.  If I read it wrongly, I apologize for getting so hot about it.  In fact, I’m deleting the post.  The generally very high level of courtesy and decorum on HSN is what drew me here, and I don’t wish to contribute to a lowering of that simple decency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, FW_Hoosier said: Sorry, I just don’t buy this at all.  No athletic department in the country operates this way... It doesn’t even make sense how they could operate this way even if they wanted to.  Whenever the heat has really turned up on Archie during these losing streaks the last two years, we always get these kind of “leaks.”  This one doesn’t even come close to passing the smell test. This isn’t a leak really.  This came from Don Fischer basically reiterating what some of us have heard.  Like I said I didn’t believe it until Don mentioned it today on Dakichs show.  You could tell he wasn’t comfortable talking about it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdgenhoosier Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 I’m sorry to do this but does anyone have a link to the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, IUwins0708 said: This isn’t a leak really.  This came from Don Fischer basically reiterating what some of us have heard.  Like I said I didn’t believe it until Don mentioned it today on Dakichs show.  You could tell he wasn’t comfortable talking about it too. What about the other sources you mentioned you’ve been hearing this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Some of this is a matter of what one means by having one's hands tied. The IU Athlete Bill of Rights does limit the coaching staff to some extent (the four-year scholarship guarantee in particular) that may not be true at some other schools. APR concerns could as well. But the idea that the AD department is dictating who to play, seems a bit far fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPM Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Well it’s clear then that the powers to be want IU to be known as a football school then. It will probably help on the football recruiting trail 🤷‍♂️. Or those same powers to be don’t want a coach to be extremely successful, so there’s never another RMK situation again where the coach becomes bigger or more important than the institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 That’s why I said I didn’t believe it until Fisch said it. I was told this last year and again this year when one of our players we all saw that should’nt have been given playing time and yet to this day he is still playing.  I don’t know how much of it’s true but the stuff I was told a while ago is all starting to make sense.  Had Fisch never said anything I wouldn’t have brought it up. Go watch an old Dayton game and watch Archie on the sidelines.  If I can find them I’ll share them.  He didn’t put up with any crap at Dayton, None! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Sorry, I just don’t buy this at all.  No athletic department in the country operates this way... It doesn’t even make sense how they could operate this way even if they wanted to.  Whenever the heat has really turned up on Archie during these losing streaks the last two years, we always get these kind of “leaks.”  This one doesn’t even come close to passing the smell test. If, there was an athletic department that DID operate in this capacity, it would be IU. Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Does CAM have his radio show tonight with Fish...this would be a good call in question...Is the administration holding you back as a coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Zero Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, HoosierJax said: Does CAM have his radio show tonight with Fish...this would be a good call in question...Is the administration holding you back as a coach? Call-ins aren’t taken.  If you’re not in Bloomington, you have to submit a question electronically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Again, it may be a matter of interpretation. If Archie is told not to run anyone off due to APR concerns, that might entail keeping certain players reasonably happy (including PT). But that's different than telling him to play X player Y minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, Colonialcrester said: Scott can be aggressive but so was this. interesting for you to jump in on this when he called me a wife beater out of nowhere and all i did was try to explain to another poster that Scott is aggressive. i didn't think i was really out of line, but sorry i guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, IUProfessor said: Again, it may be a matter of interpretation. If Archie is told not to run anyone off due to APR concerns, that might entail keeping certain players reasonably happy (including PT). But that's different than telling him to play X player Y minutes. APR is in fine shape now, wasn’t when he first got here.  And I don’t think any of us would have had a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, BDB said: If, there was an athletic department that DID operate in this capacity, it would be IU. Am I wrong? This is just so silly.  This fanbase is so tortured that now it’s twisting itself into knots to justify conspiracy theories that the athletic director, who recently announced his retirement, is dictating lineups and how the coach can act on the sidelines.  Something that has never happened in the history of college basketball. This really isn’t anything crazy.  The guy is a mid-major coach who hasn’t recruited well and whose schemes aren’t cut out for major college basketball.  It happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Zero Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, NCHoosier32 said: interesting for you to jump in on this when he called me a wife beater out of nowhere and all i did was try to explain to another poster that Scott is aggressive. i didn't think i was really out of line, but sorry i guess? I think Colonial was referring to what I wrote (subsequently deleted) as “aggressive.”  Which it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: This is just so silly.  This fanbase is so tortured that now it’s twisting itself into knots to justify conspiracy theories that the athletic director, who recently announced his retirement, is dictating lineups and how the coach can act on the sidelines.  Something that has never happened in the history of college basketball. This really isn’t anything crazy.  The guy is a mid-major coach who hasn’t recruited well and whose schemes aren’t cut out for major college basketball.  It happens all the time. I hope you’re right.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Radio Zero said: I think Colonial was referring to what I wrote (subsequently deleted) as “aggressive.”  Which it was. ah, maybe that's what i'm missing. i don't really care what people think about my posts. we all agree to disagree. Rico and Scott seem to jump me pretty quickly, but i take it for what it's worth. we just usually disagree. i just don't feel the need to attack them for their opinion. i've followed IU bball for 40 years and coached for almost 30. i have my opinions and realize everyone does. we all just react to it differently. i have dealt with many crazy parents over the years.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macomb hoosier Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, thirdgenhoosier said: I’m sorry to do this but does anyone have a link to the show? I found it on youtube. I believe it is in the 30 minute point or the 40 minute point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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