NCHoosier32 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 i was not a Crean fan, but he did a solid job getting us back from the absolute lowest point to respectability. he just was not the guy to get us to the level we wanted to stay at. he got as much as possible out of the 1st 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: And, again, I'm amazed that you think Crean and Archie's first three years are even remotely comparable. Crean was throwing any warm body he could find on the court in the beginning and, IIRC, was facing some APR challenges as well, which factored into recruiting. It's simply not a good comparison at all. True. When Crean came on board. IU gave up a scholarship. In order to prevent further damage from the NCAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchenry34 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: i was not a Crean fan, but he did a solid job getting us back from the absolute lowest point to respectability. he just was not the guy to get us to the level we wanted to stay at. he got as much as possible out of the 1st 3 years. I don't mean to argue, but I think that his third year was pretty poor considering the core of the team that he had there. Losing Maurice Creek hurt, but we were abysmal. Still the talent on the team was evident: Hulls, Watford, Elston, Verdell Jones, Victor Oladipo, Sheehey, Tom Pritchard, Jeremiah Rivers, Matt Roth.... that team should not have performed as poorly as they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDIUFAN Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: i was not a Crean fan, but he did a solid job getting us back from the absolute lowest point to respectability. he just was not the guy to get us to the level we wanted to stay at. he got as much as possible out of the 1st 3 years. I agree with you. I have always thought Crean did a great job early. It was the last years. When turn overs and terrible to non existent defense was the normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob said: I agree with you. I have always thought Crean did a great job early. It was the last years. When turn overs and terrible to non existent defense was the normal. Had he not burnt some bridges with Indiana high school coaches and OG not gotten hurt I think there is a good chance he would still be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonHershey Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 9 hours ago, btownqb said: We are literally better than we were last year... "wins" we have more than last year. We are projecting up. We were .500 in conference year one. If we're not over .500 in year three, there is nothing worth celebrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, AshtonHershey said: We were .500 in conference year one. If we're not over .500 in year three, there is nothing worth celebrating. Damn...this year Roy Williams is 9 games below .500 in year 17! we’re improving. It takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Billingsley99 said: Had he not burnt some bridges with Indiana high school coaches and OG not gotten hurt I think there is a good chance he would still be here Refresh my memory as to what Crean did to PO the high school coaches? Roster management was not in Tom Crean's vocabulary.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana8585 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said: Damn...this year Roy Williams is 9 games below .500 in year 17! Ya and he’s won 3 national titles with one losing record in 17 years, I’d take that every time if offered and so would every other IU fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonHershey Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said: Damn...this year Roy Williams is 9 games below .500 in year 17! we’re improving. It takes time. Roy has won 20+ games in 29 out of 32 years. I'm asking we hold on our parade plans before we have one such year with Archie. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 hours ago, IU Scott said: Well Crean did not get those until his 5th year and Archie did not inherit a great team either. I’m not a Crean fan but he started with Kyle Tabor and Brett Finkelmeier while Archie started with Rob Johnson, Morgan, Davis etc. Think I know which roster I would pick. Crean still got in the sweet 16 in year 4. Maybe Archie also will get that far next year. Some of the pieces are coming together and I hope that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 52 minutes ago, Indiana8585 said: Ya and he’s won 3 national titles with one losing record in 17 years, I’d take that every time if offered and so would every other IU fan. It’s takes time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana8585 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, Hoosier987 said: It’s takes time... Not this long, and our inconsistent play still hasn’t changed in year 3. Tonight’s game is another example and how long does it take? Just curious because I don’t consider zero improvement in our conference record in year 3 to be improving or showing any signs of changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Indiana8585 said: Not this long, and our inconsistent play still hasn’t changed in year 3. Tonight’s game is another example and how long does it take? Just curious because I don’t consider zero improvement in our conference record in year 3 to be improving or showing any signs of changing. This is where I am at. Everyone says it is going to take Archie time. After 2.5 years I am not seeing what is the attraction that he is going to get it done. It is unwatchable basketball. No heart. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, Indiana8585 said: Not this long, and our inconsistent play still hasn’t changed in year 3. Tonight’s game is another example and how long does it take? Just curious because I don’t consider zero improvement in our conference record in year 3 to be improving or showing any signs of changing. Belein had a way worse record than Archie does through 3 years at Michigan. I think we’ve improved this year. We’re on the cusp of the NCAA tournament and 20 plus wins. We have 6 quad 1 wins...that’s more than 99% of the country. Everyone returns next year and we have our pg of the future....THE #1 PG IN THE COUNTRY which will be further improvement in the coming years. Not to mention Archie has locked down the State in terms of recruiting...regardless of what anyone may think that’s a big sign of a healthy program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier_exotics Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Can we lock this pos thread. Its trash! Only feeds the idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, hoosier_exotics said: Can we lock this pos thread. Its trash! Only feeds the idiots Agreed. This thread needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said: Belein had a way worse record than Archie does through 3 years at Michigan. I think we’ve improved this year. We’re on the cusp of the NCAA tournament and 20 plus wins. We have 6 quad 1 wins...that’s more than 99% of the country. Everyone returns next year and we have our pg of the future....THE #1 PG IN THE COUNTRY which will be further improvement in the coming years. Not to mention Archie has locked down the State in terms of recruiting...regardless of what anyone may think that’s a big sign of a healthy program. The 20 wins is deceiving. The ooc schedule was trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana8585 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, hoosier_exotics said: Can we lock this pos thread. Its trash! Only feeds the idiots Ya idiots? Name calling like a 4th grader haha I’m sorry that many IU alums/fans are tired of seeing the same crap in year 3 as in year 1. It takes time right? How long 5 years? 10? Heck I thought it was bad when I was a student with Davis Sampson and Crean but at least we made the tourney. So if you don’t like people not being happy about the state our program, then don’t read the thread 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 I don’t agree with all of the posts in this thread but why do the posters that hate this thread read this thread? It’s pretty easy to avoid (ie...don’t open it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana8585 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said: Belein had a way worse record than Archie does through 3 years at Michigan. I think we’ve improved this year. We’re on the cusp of the NCAA tournament and 20 plus wins. We have 6 quad 1 wins...that’s more than 99% of the country. Everyone returns next year and we have our pg of the future....THE #1 PG IN THE COUNTRY which will be further improvement in the coming years. Not to mention Archie has locked down the State in terms of recruiting...regardless of what anyone may think that’s a big sign of a healthy program. Well for me having another losing conference record or at .500 and no improvement over 3 years I’m not sure how that’s supposed to instill confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhinithreeMagic Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, IU878176 said: I don’t agree with all of the posts in this thread but why do the posters that hate this thread read this thread? It’s pretty easy to avoid (ie...don’t open it). I won't speak for every one else that doesn't like this thread, but for me it comes down to the perception of the fan base and program. Perception is reality in the college basketball landscape and 41 page threads about a 3rd year coach being on the hot seat are going to be used to craft a narrative against Archie on the recruiting trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhinithreeMagic Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Indiana8585 said: Well for me having another losing conference record or at .500 and no improvement over 3 years I’m not sure how that’s supposed to instill confidence. When the entire conference is essentially a Quad 1 game, people need to stop judging the entire trajectory of the program on conference win percentage. IU will be top 10 in the country in Quad 1 wins with no bad losses. That's an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 its Ridiculous that this thread keeps going after every loss...Even after a helluva prior week. I’m done posting on this thread. Go Hoosiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana8585 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, PhinithreeMagic said: When the entire conference is essentially a Quad 1 game, people need to stop judging the entire trajectory of the program on conference win percentage. IU will be top 10 in the country in Quad 1 wins with no bad losses. That's an improvement. Then what do we judge on? The cupcake schedule to start the year? For all the it looks bad to have this thread posts, how does it look when we keep having poor results and underperform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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