rico Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just put this in the B1G tournament thread, but it does fit here as well... https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-how-the-big-ten-changed-its-schedule-embraced-the-net-and-became-the-nations-top-conference/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Minnesota loses at home only drops one spot to 45. Guess it helped that it was close and MD is top 10 but still... At this point in the season there's just very little movement in that thing. We did move up one spot to #52. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, Indy1987 said: Minnesota loses at home only drops one spot to 45. Guess it helped that it was close and MD is top 10 but still... At this point in the season there's just very little movement in that thing. We did move up one spot to #52. Go Hoosiers!!! This Net thing is ridiculous where you can have a 13-14 team ahead of a 18-9 team and that team beat the 13-14 team on their home court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, IU Scott said: This Net thing is ridiculous where you can have a 13-14 team ahead of a 18-9 team and that team beat the 13-14 team on their home court. The NET is clearly flawed in this instance. Let's hope the committee realizes this is a fluke. If you look at the link that was shared yesterday comparing rankings the NET is not all that out of wack compared to others. It just screws us which sucks. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Edit - Wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, Indy1987 said: The NET is clearly flawed in this instance. Let's hope the committee realizes this is a fluke. If you look at the link that was shared yesterday comparing rankings the NET is not all that out of wack compared to others. It just screws us which sucks. Go Hoosiers!!! this is why I hate using metrics as a determining factor in selecting for the tournament. I wish the NCAA would hire 12 people and their sole job is to watch basketball games the whole year and they are the people that are on the selection committee. Right now they have AD's and other people on the committee who does not have the time to watch games all the time. I would get former coaches, AD's and just people with a lot of basketball experience for this job. The metrics just can't take the intangibles in the game and tell you who is actually the better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidehoosier Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, IU Scott said: this is why I hate using metrics as a determining factor in selecting for the tournament. I wish the NCAA would hire 12 people and their sole job is to watch basketball games the whole year and they are the people that are on the selection committee. Right now they have AD's and other people on the committee who does not have the time to watch games all the time. I would get former coaches, AD's and just people with a lot of basketball experience for this job. The metrics just can't take the intangibles in the game and tell you who is actually the better team. Just get a bunch of dads who are waiting to get their vasectomies during March madness to make up the committee😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 14 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said: What was wrong with the old system when the committee looked at record and strength of schedule? There were disagreements—which there would always be short of Jesus raising his hand and decreeing a bracket—but nothing to the extent of what this ridiculous system has produced. Rule of thumb, if the NCAA came up with it, it will be a mess, inconsistent, arbitrary, incongruous, etc. The NET came from the NCAA. It looks like they did a poor job running the numbers as they overweight road wins, even against lower comp, margin of victory, etc. It is a mess. I have worked on similar things. We put together a calculation on bonus programs. We ran a bunch of hypotheticals and it helped us iron out anomalies and gave us insight into tweaks. I’m a science guy so I understand rigorous protocol, math, etc. It’s pretty obvious that the NCAA wildly failed in these aspects. The "system" hasn't changed, the process is still the same. NET just replaced RPI, but the committee still looks at the resume via team sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: this is why I hate using metrics as a determining factor in selecting for the tournament. I wish the NCAA would hire 12 people and their sole job is to watch basketball games the whole year and they are the people that are on the selection committee. Right now they have AD's and other people on the committee who does not have the time to watch games all the time. I would get former coaches, AD's and just people with a lot of basketball experience for this job. The metrics just can't take the intangibles in the game and tell you who is actually the better team. Where do I send me resume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Where do I send me resume? Have you been a former coach or AD at the D1 level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Have you been a former coach or AD at the D1 level? Not exactly. But my sense is common, vision is good and beer is cold. The current NET is like an itemized receipt. Just because it’s officially printed in black and white doesn’t mean your not getting hosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: Have you been a former coach or AD at the D1 level? Mayyyybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerawkid Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, IU Scott said: Have you been a former coach or AD at the D1 level? Psst, he’s one of the guys awaiting his vasectomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, zerawkid said: Psst, he’s one of the guys awaiting his vasectomy. Already used up that procedure.....if you have to know. ✂️ and unfortunately, the way my deductible worked I had to get it done in December. I COULDN'T LIVE OUT MY DREAM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 The loss dropped us 4 spots to #56. We lose at Illinois and we probably fall out of the top 60. Winning two home games won't move us up much. I hope that NET score isn't the deciding factor between us and the other bubble teams. Itll be difficult to move any higher than where we are at this point. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Indy1987 said: The loss dropped us 4 spots to #56. We lose at Illinois and we probably fall out of the top 60. Winning two home games won't move us up much. I hope that NET score isn't the deciding factor between us and the other bubble teams. Itll be difficult to move any higher than where we are at this point. Go Hoosiers!!! Win the BTT????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 35 minutes ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: Win the BTT????? That might be enough to move us up to #55. At least we'd have an automatic bid. Lol Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted February 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Indy1987 said: The loss dropped us 4 spots to #56. We lose at Illinois and we probably fall out of the top 60. Winning two home games won't move us up much. I hope that NET score isn't the deciding factor between us and the other bubble teams. Itll be difficult to move any higher than where we are at this point. Go Hoosiers!!! I figured a loss to almighty Turdue would have moved us up to the top 25. A win would have gotten us in the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Didn't Minnesota lose at HOME earlier this week and only drop one spot. We lose on the road and drop 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyHoosier Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Our NET ranking is definitely an outlier. I would hope the committee notices this. It will be a hot talking point on selection Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Didn't Minnesota lose at HOME earlier this week and only drop one spot. We lose on the road and drop 4. And didn't IU beat Minny up at their place?? Does not make any sense..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue3542 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Indy1987 said: The loss dropped us 4 spots to #56. We lose at Illinois and we probably fall out of the top 60. Winning two home games won't move us up much. I hope that NET score isn't the deciding factor between us and the other bubble teams. Itll be difficult to move any higher than where we are at this point. Go Hoosiers!!! I don't buy that we are on the bubble. If we win both home games, we definitely aren't. If we lose out, THEN I think we'd be on the bubble, but I really don't see that happening. Even just one more win locks us into the tournament. Our team sheet is going to look pretty good comparatively. Our net is an outlier because we got blown out a couple times on the road. Otherwise, we'd be in the thirties like we are on most other stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Another thing we need to remember that all we are seeing right now is just speculation. Nobody actually knows what this selection committee will think is important and what they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Here is a realistic scenario I could see happening for our remaining games: We lose at Illinois this weekend. Nothing extraordinary, just another run of the mill Big Ten road loss where we score in the 50's. We beat Minnesota at home, but do it unimpressively. We lose at home to Wisconsin, because we beat them about as often as we beat Purdue anymore. We go one and done in the BTT like we do every year, and suddenly we're sitting at 19-13 with a NET ranking in the 60's, and a handful of stat geeks projecting we're out of the tournament. NET rankings are trash. Bring back RPI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue3542 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: Here is a realistic scenario I could see happening for our remaining games: We lose at Illinois this weekend. Nothing extraordinary, just another run of the mill Big Ten road loss where we score in the 50's. We beat Minnesota at home, but do it unimpressively. We lose at home to Wisconsin, because we beat them about as often as we beat Purdue anymore. We go one and done in the BTT like we do every year, and suddenly we're sitting at 19-13 with a NET ranking in the 60's, and a handful of stat geeks projecting we're out of the tournament. NET rankings are trash. Bring back RPI. I feel like the best path would be to have a composite ranking that the committee uses: Just take KenPom, RPI, Sagarin, BPI, and NET, average them out, and then use that for the ranking. Probably the best way to it. Each ranking has it's own weakness. Averaging them all out would probably get you as close to reality as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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