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4 minutes ago, PritchardPutBack said:

Yeah the Big Ten is definitely not doing too hot from 3 this year. When you look at team 3pt% the highest ranked Big Ten team is Ohio State at 17 with 37.8% for the season and BYU is first in the nation at 42%. This is the full conference 3% that they mentioned though

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If you want to feel a little better about IU only shooting 32% from three, going into the game at Nebraska we were shooting 29.72% from 3 (EDIT said from the field and not from three originally)

I think one reason the percentages are down is that the line is farther back this year.  Also there are way to many 3's taken as the shot clock is running down and having to take a contested 3.

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17 minutes ago, PritchardPutBack said:

Glad you mentioned Jerome's 3 point success! I feel like people who don't watch most of the games or those who aren't IU fans just look at his 29% season 3pt% and assume he's a bad shooter. A little after the MSU game I began keeping track of how the team has shot from three, and this is how everybody has been shooting since the game at Nebraska (12 games for those that have played every single game)

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Good post.  I hope to see lots more posts from you.

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5 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

yesterday on Assembly Call they said IU is ranked 6th in 3 point shooting in the big ten at 32% and that just is a bad sign for the big ten.  If 32% from 3 is one of the top p[ercentages in the conference that is terrible.

IU is 8th on the season at 32.4%, but the B1G team numbers overall don't look great other than OSU. Three teams over 35%. Maybe IU is now 6th in conference play only. Where IU is bad, is being tied for last with Rutgers at 5.4 3s made per game. IU gives up a 6-9 point advantage against the better teams from 3 pt line. Make up 1-4 points from FT line, but not enough to make up difference. IU attempts fewest 3s in B1G and 5-6 fewer attempted 3s per game than most teams at the top.

Illinois only makes 5.6 3s per game, so they were a good match-up.

 

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  Overall Conf. Home Away   Ratings   Per Game   Advanced
Rk School G W L W% W L W L W L   ORtg DRtg NRtg   FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P%
eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS PTS   SRS SOS Pace
1 Ohio State 29 20 9 .690 10 8 14 2 4 6   108.0 93.2 +14.7   24.4 54.5 .447 8.7 23.1 .378 .528 14.7 19.8 .744 9.9 37.0 13.6 4.9 3.6 12.9 17.2 72.2 62.3   19.57 9.71 66.9
2 Michigan State 29 20 9 .690 12 6 11 3 6 4   108.7 92.5 +16.2   27.0 59.1 .458 7.8 22.1 .352 .524 13.8 18.4 .750 11.1 40.7 17.8 5.2 5.0 12.8 16.8 75.7 64.4   21.64 10.36 69.6
3 Wisconsin 29 19 10 .655 12 6 14 1 5 6   104.2 97.0 +7.2   23.6 55.4 .427 8.7 24.7 .351 .505 11.6 15.2 .766 8.2 33.7 12.2 4.5 3.7 10.0 15.4 67.6 62.9   15.74 11.05 64.5
4 Iowa 29 20 9 .690 11 7 14 1 4 6   110.4 101.6 +8.8   27.4 60.7 .452 7.8 22.6 .347 .516 15.5 20.9 .741 11.7 37.8 17.3 6.3 3.8 12.0 15.8 78.1 71.9   16.57 10.36 70.8
5 Michigan 29 18 11 .621 9 9 10 5 4 6   107.0 97.2 +9.8   27.8 60.1 .462 8.0 23.5 .342 .528 11.4 16.0 .713 8.8 36.5 14.8 5.3 4.6 10.8 15.1 75.0 68.1   18.10 11.24 69.1
6 Purdue 29 15 14 .517 8 10 11 4 3 8   103.1 94.4 +8.7   25.3 59.8 .422 7.2 21.3 .336 .482 10.2 15.1 .672 12.4 36.5 13.4 6.5 3.4 11.4 17.5 67.9 62.2   16.17 10.44 64.5
7 Penn State 29 21 8 .724 11 7 14 2 5 5   105.3 94.1 +11.2   27.1 61.8 .438 7.9 24.1 .328 .502 13.3 19.3 .688 11.0 38.8 14.3 7.7 5.0 11.6 17.5 75.4 67.4   17.06 9.06 71.6
8 Indiana 29 18 11 .621 8 10 14 3 2 8   103.5 97.3 +6.3   25.1 56.6 .443 5.4 16.8 .324 .491 15.8 23.0 .685 11.4 37.6 12.7 5.6 4.3 13.0 17.5 71.3 67.0   14.62 10.31 68.6
9 Nebraska 29 7 22 .241 2 16 5 11 0 10   95.2 103.8 -8.6   25.7 62.4 .412 8.1 25.2 .323 .477 10.8 18.3 .586 9.0 35.2 14.1 7.0 2.5 11.6 15.1 70.3 76.6   3.68 9.99 72.2
10 Minnesota 28 13 15 .464 7 11 10 5 2 9   103.4 97.8 +5.6   25.1 59.8 .420 7.9 24.5 .320 .486 11.8 17.0 .694 11.6 39.2 14.8 4.7 4.8 11.5 17.0 69.9 66.1   15.82 12.03 67.0
11 Maryland 29 23 6 .793 13 5 15 1 5 5   105.5 94.1 +11.4   23.8 57.2 .417 7.7 24.6 .314 .484 16.2 21.7 .747 11.4 38.6 13.2 4.7 4.3 11.5 14.9 71.6 63.8   17.92 10.16 67.9
12 Illinois 29 20 9 .690 12 6 14 3 6 5   106.3 95.1 +11.2   26.1 59.1 .441 5.6 17.9 .312 .489 14.6 20.0 .728 12.8 40.1 13.1 4.8 2.9 12.3 15.7 72.3 64.7   15.23 9.19 67.8
13 Northwestern 28 7 21 .250 2 16 4 11 2 9   97.0 104.3 -7.4   24.2 57.8 .418 6.1 19.6 .309 .471 10.8 14.8 .730 8.0 33.5 13.6 4.1 3.0 10.6 16.9 65.3 70.2   5.00 9.96 66.7
14 Rutgers 29 18 11 .621 9 9 17 1 1 8   102.3 91.5 +10.7   26.5 59.5 .445 5.4 17.9 .300 .490 11.3 17.3 .650 11.8 40.0 12.7 6.7 4.6 12.3 16.7 69.6 62.3   15.32 9.35 67.8

 

 

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I agree with Scott that the length of the line has had an effect.  I wonder what the averages have done this year vs last year across the board.    

Personally, I like the move back.  The old line was too close and just made it too easy to hit an open three, IMO of course.  It's like playing poker with a bunch of wild cards, it's just too easy.  To get an extra point, there ought to be more complexity to it than there was before.

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9 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said:

IU is 8th on the season at 32.4%, but the B1G team numbers overall don't look great other than OSU. Three teams over 35%. Maybe IU is now 6th in conference play only. Where IU is bad, is being tied for last with Rutgers at 5.4 3s made per game. IU gives up a 6-9 point advantage against the better teams from 3 pt line. Make up 1-4 points from FT line, but not enough to make up difference. IU attempts fewest 3s in B1G and 5-6 fewer attempted 3s per game than most teams at the top.

Illinois only makes 5.6 3s per game, so they were a good match-up.

You're right about the actual amount made being not so great. I do think the fact that our percentage for conference play even being 6th is positive, but even in my reply to Scott with the screenshot of the conference play 3PT% numbers you can see the teams around us have way more attempts

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1 hour ago, PritchardPutBack said:

Glad you mentioned Jerome's 3 point success! I feel like people who don't watch most of the games or those who aren't IU fans just look at his 29% season 3pt% and assume he's a bad shooter. A little after the MSU game I began keeping track of how the team has shot from three, and this is how everybody has been shooting since the game at Nebraska (12 games for those that have played every single game)

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I had several back and forths on here as Hunter was just starting to get back to half decent minutes, saying the kid has been an elite scorer and including good outside shooting, and was scouted and ranked as such. 
it is great to see him getting more comfortable, getting his timing, conditioning and confidence back. The kid is really good and before his season ending condition considered a legit potential nba wing. 
I don’t know if he will get to that level but we are now starting to see that elite player in his game. With a full summer following this season, assuming health, his ceiling is very high. He’s a gamer.
And it really is great to see him getting his game back after losing a whole year like that 

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53 minutes ago, PritchardPutBack said:

You're right about the actual amount made being not so great. I do think the fact that our percentage for conference play even being 6th is positive, but even in my reply to Scott with the screenshot of the conference play 3PT% numbers you can see the teams around us have way more attempts

We really need Thompson to add the ability to hit a 3. He does that.. things open up BIG time. 

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2 hours ago, bluegrassIU said:

 

We can say "play them 35 minutes,  they are hot". But is does not seem that simple with these two. 

 

They are young men with serious injury issues, not the video game characters us fans sometimes view them as.

There is a little room between letting Hunter stay in after he hit two threes and playing 35 minutes. I was also in the camp that was bummed he was yanked after that but as you point out he is still getting his legs etc back.

Im any case, Hunter and Race are increasingly looking like good building blocks. Also looking forward to a 100% Rob.

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3 hours ago, btownqb said:

I don't know that I would even call it improvement and honestly just being more acclimated to playing college basketball. Kid didn't play a game for like 20 months and sat out a fair amount of that time without a ball even in his hands. 

RP, RT, and JH have a healthy off season... I think all three will look like different players next year. Their developments have been stunted by injuries. 

All day long. We are just starting to see glimpses of what's coming. I hate injuries and have certainly complained about them too....but these 3 are just starting to show the signs of why they were top 100 recruits and in Hunter's case much higher. Good times ahead!

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If CAM wants to get "old" and "stay old", he will have to step it up on development of his players; otherwise, it will be "start mediocre" and "stay mediocre".  Juan Morgan is the only player on his team's that has made a big one year jump.  I don't think there's even been a 2 year big jump from any player on this team.  Smith and Durham have gotten better, but no big jumps.  Phinesee has been about the same or perhaps a little worse.  I know a lot of this has been due to injury, but we need to see development, or we will just wallow in mediocrity.

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37 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

yeah, i have happily admitted a couple times that i was wrong about Hunter.  he's gotten much better.  not quite ready to complain that he's not starting or playing starter minutes yet.  

I really dont think hes gotten that much better. I think he's just acclimated to everything. 

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20 minutes ago, slojoe said:

If CAM wants to get "old" and "stay old", he will have to step it up on development of his players; otherwise, it will be "start mediocre" and "stay mediocre".  Juan Morgan is the only player on his team's that has made a big one year jump.  I don't think there's even been a 2 year big jump from any player on this team.  Smith and Durham have gotten better, but no big jumps.  Phinesee has been about the same or perhaps a little worse.  I know a lot of this has been due to injury, but we need to see development, or we will just wallow in mediocrity.

You absolutely cannot add RP in that discussion. 

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I am kinda excited about next year. Not giving up on this year at all,but with the improvement of Hunter. I believe we have hope. Rob, will be better, if Franklin can improve,and the emergence of Race, along with the incoming freshmen. I think we could be very good next year. 

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1 minute ago, Bob said:

I am kinda excited about next year. Not giving up on this year at all,but with the improvement of Hunter. I believe we have hope. Rob, will be better, if Franklin can improve,and the emergence of Race, along with the incoming freshmen. I think we could be very good next year. 

I agree — I know I know, some will say we have these kind of thoughts at the end of various seasons, but the guys are trending up significantly and finally getting healthy, Hunter and Race in particular should be much stronger - readier and acclimated next season, TJD is going to be an absolute beast, and our anticipated incoming group just got a major boost offensively. 

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I would say he isn't playing much because he is a revolving door on defense.  He reacts slow and lets guys drive past him, causing others to have to help leaving guys open.  Until he can be adequate at defense i doubt we see him for long stretches of time.

Race on the other hand, should be starting over Brunk.  There is no reason to have Brunk starting when at 3 minutes later you're just going to sub him out for Race anyways.

And as for Garza, that kid has played 30+ minutes the last 2 years.  There is no reason a college kid can't play 30 minutes a game.  I question the constant subbing.  Its hard for players to get into the rhythm of the game when you come out every 4 minutes.  

Go Hoosiers

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5 hours ago, btownqb said:

We don't really run/no one really runs a lot of set plays for off the ball screens for shooters anymore. A lot of that is because everyone will have them scouted or kids have played against that set before and they'll either jump the pass or simply switch out and it will be a wasted play. 

Basically everything is predicated on dribble penetration whether its off a ball screen or in transition and then go from there. The two times we got Jerome shots yesterday was not from any sort of a set play. (pretty sure)

So I'm clear on this, if everyone is running the same things, or variations there of, then Xs and Os would be minimized to a certain degree, and execution, motivation, and talent would be more key?

Like I say, I've watched IU basketball since the 60s...I know some of what I'm looking at, but not the nuances...

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2 hours ago, slojoe said:

If CAM wants to get "old" and "stay old", he will have to step it up on development of his players; otherwise, it will be "start mediocre" and "stay mediocre".  Juan Morgan is the only player on his team's that has made a big one year jump.  I don't think there's even been a 2 year big jump from any player on this team.  Smith and Durham have gotten better, but no big jumps.  Phinesee has been about the same or perhaps a little worse.  I know a lot of this has been due to injury, but we need to see development, or we will just wallow in mediocrity.

Then how do you explain our team make solid improvements YoY, every year? It may not be as fast as we want, but we want from a team in the 70s, to a team in the 50s to a team in the 30s...

Next year sure looks like a team that can be in the teens....

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3 hours ago, btownqb said:

You absolutely cannot add RP in that discussion. 

Here are his stats:

                  G   AM   PPG    R     A   TO  FG%   FT%   3P%

18-19       32  27.3   6.8    3.3  2.9 1.3  36.1  73.9   34.9

19-20       24  23.4   7.2    2.5  3.1  2.0  36.3  66    31 

 

Here are the stats.  Tell me why you think he has made a big jump.

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1 hour ago, KoB2011 said:

Then how do you explain our team make solid improvements YoY, every year? It may not be as fast as we want, but we want from a team in the 70s, to a team in the 50s to a team in the 30s...

Next year sure looks like a team that can be in the teens....

I didn't say that there wasn't any improvement.  I said there hadn't been a great improvement over a 1 or 2 year period except for Morgan.

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48 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

So I'm clear on this, if everyone is running the same things, or variations there of, then Xs and Os would be minimized to a certain degree, and execution, motivation, and talent would be more key?

Like I say, I've watched IU basketball since the 60s...I know some of what I'm looking at, but not the nuances...

Correct... talent and execution is always and will always be king. 

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