Mason Miller committed to Creighton.

[Moyeneeded 210]

We need to hold on to one scholly for a playable transfer big. Brunk gone, maybe TJD. That will leave us with a serviceable Race and Duncomb as a frosh. Grad transfer/transfer to bolster the middle. Take Kaufman as a stretch 4 and Miller with Hunter as the 3. One of Wesley or Mohammed. Best scenerio IMO.

[gnet550 288]

I could see Archie honestly going small and playing Race at the 5. Generally at Dayton he played without true good bigs. Race is tough as nails and Duncomb could be your 6’11 back up big for the second unit

[Brass Cannon 1,352]

14 minutes ago, gnet550 said:

I could see Archie honestly going small and playing Race at the 5. Generally at Dayton he played without true good bigs. Race is tough as nails and Duncomb could be your 6’11 back up big for the second unit

If TJD is gone then I think you are right. 

[13th&Jackson 3,022]

1 hour ago, gnet550 said:

I could see Archie honestly going small and playing Race at the 5. Generally at Dayton he played without true good bigs. Race is tough as nails and Duncomb could be your 6’11 back up big for the second unit

I don't know, that was the A10, not the B1G. Not sure I want Race playing the 5 over 4 games in 10 days against a series of B1G bruisers.

Plus Race is only 6'8. You can do that with a Tillman or Wesson at 270 but not 235.

[gnet550 288]

13 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said:

I don't know, that was the A10, not the B1G. Not sure I want Race playing the 5 over 4 games in 10 days against a series of B1G bruisers.

Plus Race is only 6'8. You can do that with a Tillman or Wesson at 270 but not 235.

It goes both ways though...those big slow guys have to try and guard you on the other end...

[Blazin Hazin 135]

20 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said:

I don't know, that was the A10, not the B1G. Not sure I want Race playing the 5 over 4 games in 10 days against a series of B1G bruisers.

Plus Race is only 6'8. You can do that with a Tillman or Wesson at 270 but not 235.

If TJD leaves- we're almost certainly gonna be playing small ball in 21-22 with Race as the center.  It's not the end of the world, but just the reality of the situation.  And while I like the players we're in on in 2021, including Miller, I don't see us getting a Zeller or TJD that can play the 5 well right away.  Maybe we can get a transfer- but even then- that player will likely be flawed.  If we're lucky- maybe we get a Joey brunk.  

Ultimately- the issue with our roster construction is we didn't get any good long-term big men in 2018, 2019, or 2020 besides Race.  TJD is great- but it's unlikely he's here after next year.  I'm sure Archie tried.  Forrester might have been a good option.  Garcia would have also solved a lot of issues too.

As far as Miller goes- If he's the 65th best player in the nation and a good shooter, get him. Period.  You just don't pass on a guy like him.  After seeing  a lot of Archie teams now that are quite ugly offensively and lack outside shooting- I would greatly enjoy watching a big man that can shoot from outside.  

 

 

[dbmhoosier 3,590]

50 minutes ago, Blazin Hazin said:

If TJD leaves- we're almost certainly gonna be playing small ball in 21-22 with Race as the center.  It's not the end of the world, but just the reality of the situation.  And while I like the players we're in on in 2021, including Miller, I don't see us getting a Zeller or TJD that can play the 5 well right away.  Maybe we can get a transfer- but even then- that player will likely be flawed.  If we're lucky- maybe we get a Joey brunk.  

Ultimately- the issue with our roster construction is we didn't get any good long-term big men in 2018, 2019, or 2020 besides Race.  TJD is great- but it's unlikely he's here after next year.  I'm sure Archie tried.  Forrester might have been a good option.  Garcia would have also solved a lot of issues too.

As far as Miller goes- If he's the 65th best player in the nation and a good shooter, get him. Period.  You just don't pass on a guy like him.  After seeing  a lot of Archie teams now that are quite ugly offensively and lack outside shooting- I would greatly enjoy watching a big man that can shoot from outside.  

 

 

Missing Garcia was huge.  It could come back to haunt us almost as much as the Sean May miss IMO.

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3 hours ago, Moyeneeded said:

We need to hold on to one scholly for a playable transfer big. Brunk gone, maybe TJD. That will leave us with a serviceable Race and Duncomb as a frosh. Grad transfer/transfer to bolster the middle. Take Kaufman as a stretch 4 and Miller with Hunter as the 3. One of Wesley or Mohammed. Best scenerio IMO.

That would put us right at 13 scholarship players, which is never going to happen under Archie. If Mason Miller and Trey Kaufman say their coming, your not adding a transfer. And if one of Wesley or Mohammed are going to commit, you’re gonna be very set at the guard/wing position. If we had 13 players who all wanted minutes that would just cause division between the team and players would transfer. 

[IU Scott 9,739]

11 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

Missing Garcia was huge.  It could come back to haunt us almost as much as the Sean May miss IMO.

Probably only play one year of college ball so not a huge loss.  He wan ted to go to a place that he was guaranteed to be the guy and that wasn't going to be here.

[BobSaccamanno 3,891]

21 hours ago, GrangerHoosier said:

Just get the talent on campus, and figure out how they can play together later.

These guys can play together so your point is moot.  But your statement is respectfully too broad.  A good coach puts foresight into recruiting and what he envisions in terms of fit and especially complementary players.  If you get a hodgepodge of disparate talents, watching the team will give us all a headache.  We’ve had teams like that and they underachieve.  Knight isn’t walking through the door, but guys have roles.  If everybody thinks they are high volume shooters, that’s not working in a team concept that’s trying to win something.  Having a couple of bigs that lose discipline and don’t block out won’t work out together. A 2 and a 3 who are undersized and can’t shoot is a problem.  We’ve seen all of these problems over the years.  

The good news is Archie isn’t just throwing a bunch of guys on the wall to see what sticks.  He has a vision for the combination of players he wants, which you can tell by who he is prioritizing. He wants a 2-3 combo where you have length and a bulls eye shooter plus at least one guy who can help handle and create off the bounce.  He knows where his current roster is deficient in regards to the style of play he wants to propound.

[dgambill 5,548]

Maybe there is still time to land a Frank Kepnack or Elijah Hutchins-Everrett still. Would be plenty of playing time for multiple bigs in the 21 class.

[Madison22 808]

On 6/4/2020 at 2:55 PM, Blazin Hazin said:

I would greatly enjoy watching a big man that can shoot from outside. 

I would greatly enjoy any IU player that can shoot from the outside.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Madison22

[dgambill 5,548]

Kinda has that Brian Evans set shot 3....or maybe it’s just the lefty thing lol.

[BobSaccamanno 3,891]

He gives me a TJ Leaf vibe.  I think Leaf has been a better rebounder but I admittedly don’t know enough about Miller. 

The clips I’ve seen give you an idea on his skill set.  With his range and mobility I think he can play the 3 on offense.  An open question is whether he can defend a three, given the old saying “you are what you can defend.”  He’d have to bulk up a ton to defend a four at the B1G level.  So, does he have the agility and foot speed to defend a three?  Length can sometimes make up for other deficiencies and he’s pretty long for a three.  

Edited June 9, 2020 by BobSaccamanno

[5 championships 1,047]

Good stroke. Needs to add muscle and work on right hand. Looks a little weak around basket. I’d take him in a heartbeat as long as he shoots it consistent clip from deep. The other stuff of his game will continue to grow. 

[HoosierDom 381]

17 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

He gives me a TJ Leaf vibe.  I think Leaf has been a better rebounder but I admittedly don’t know enough about Miller. 

The clips I’ve seen give you an idea on his skill set.  With his range and mobility I think he can play the 3 on offense.  An open question is whether he can defend a three, given the old saying “you are what you can defend.”  He’d have to bulk up a ton to defend a four at the B1G level.  So, does he have the agility and foot speed to defend a three?  Length can sometimes make up for other deficiencies and he’s pretty long for a three.  

Yeah, I'm confused by people unsure if he gels with Kaufman, I don't see anyway Miller can guard a 4 in the BIG a year and a half from now. Seems like growing into that is his best chance to be a star, but for now, he's either a 3, or he's a bench 4 that only sees spot minutes in the right match-ups.

Edited June 9, 2020 by HoosierDom

[KDB 3,444]

Bryan Moss, publisher of the Memphis Rivals page, changed his FutureCast pick of Memphis to Indiana today.

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10 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said:

He gives me a TJ Leaf vibe.  I think Leaf has been a better rebounder but I admittedly don’t know enough about Miller. 

The clips I’ve seen give you an idea on his skill set.  With his range and mobility I think he can play the 3 on offense.  An open question is whether he can defend a three, given the old saying “you are what you can defend.”  He’d have to bulk up a ton to defend a four at the B1G level.  So, does he have the agility and foot speed to defend a three?  Length can sometimes make up for other deficiencies and he’s pretty long for a three.  

I for one would welcome a TJ Leaf to Indiana University, however, I for one would never welcome TJ Leaf to the Indiana Pacers...….Oh wait he's still in blue and gold sadly

[Brass Cannon 1,352]

Odd that all the rivals guys changed from Memphis to Indiana but 247 is unchanged 

[Hoosierdave 800]

11 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Odd that all the rivals guys changed from Memphis to Indiana but 247 is unchanged 

Don’t worry, they’ll make their predictions 7 minutes before the commitment announcement and say they knew all along lol. 

[Hippopotamo 1,147]

Any idea on when he’s looking to commit and what other schools are involved besides us and Memphis?

[Brass Cannon 1,352]

1 hour ago, Hoosierdave said:

Don’t worry, they’ll make their predictions 7 minutes before the commitment announcement and say they knew all along lol. 

So true. And they seem to be weeding out all the people that don’t do that. Dain Ervin was good about making a pick and sticking to it. Romeo and TJD I think he was first on. Trey also 

[Blazin Hazin 135]

23 hours ago, Madison22 said:

I would greatly enjoy any IU player that can shoot from the outside.

You're forgetting about.....

ok....yea....you have a point

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5 hours ago, Hoosierdave said:

Don’t worry, they’ll make their predictions 7 minutes before the commitment announcement and say they knew all along lol. 

That won't happen.

[goonaha 168]

Brian Snow specifically said that the Rivals system doesn't have a "murky" option like 247. So if a Rivals writer no longer thinks their pick is accurate, they have to change it to some other school. They can't just remove the pick. That's why the changes to Indiana, who are well positioned in the recruitment. It's the Rivals guys' "next best" guess now that Memphis is most likely out of consideration. The 247 guys haven't changed picks because they don't know where he's going.