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[IU Scott]

4 minutes ago, milehiiu said:

I love you both. PW and Scott.  However, got to disagree.  If not for having an experienced grad player on the roster for practice purposes.  And to fill in, if we ever have an overabundance of injuries, as we have suffered through in the past.  IMHO. There is no good reason to waist a scholarship if there is a  one year grad transfer, regardless of shooting ability.

 

I would agree if this was late March or early April but now most of the top players are already signed.

[BGleas]

6 minutes ago, milehiiu said:

I love you both. PW and Scott.  However, got to disagree.  If not for having an experienced grad player on the roster for practice purposes.  And to fill in, if we ever have an overabundance of injuries, as we have suffered through in the past.  IMHO. There is no good reason to waist a scholarship if there is a  one year grad transfer, regardless of shooting ability.

 

So basically, you're just looking for a warm body? A grad transfer version of Tim Priller? The chances of getting anyone of significance are pretty slim at this point, because 1) most of the impact grad transfers are already off the market and 2) anyone good player is going to be looking for consistent minutes and IU doesn't really have that to offer. 

 

[FKIM01]

2 hours ago, Go__Hoosiers said:

This past year our rotation was 10 players (after CAM shortened the rotation by benching Damezi) and that felt about right to me. Trying to find minutes for three more guys who expect to play is very challenging. I understand you don't want to limit your team to 10 scholarship players because injuries happen - but 11 or 12 seems right to me. A happy locker room matters.

 

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

Agree! While there is a scholarship there, I think the only way to fill it and keep everyone happy would be to get a grad transfer specialist where the expectation amongst both parties is that they would be used situationally. There really isn't room on the roster for someone coming in expecting to play 15-20+ minutes per game. 

I've thought both of these things.  I get the concern over injuries, but if you recruit the right kind of players, it's next man up.  Fill all the scholarships and you end up with 2-3 Damezi Andersons each year...talented guys that likely contribute as upperclassmen, but not willing to work and wait for playing time.  I'm happy with 11-12 and let the chips fall where they may.

[IU Scott]

I just think with the way kids think today where they are not willing to wait there turn it is harder to use all of your scholarships.  30 years ago kids were willing to wait a year or two for their turn to be key players but today they are not.

[milehiiu]

7 minutes ago, BGleas said:

So basically, you're just looking for a warm body? A grad transfer version of Tim Priller? The chances of getting anyone of significance are pretty slim at this point, because 1) most of the impact grad transfers are already off the market and 2) anyone good player is going to be looking for consistent minutes and IU doesn't really have that to offer. 

 

Warm body.  Better to waist on someone who has experience playing the game. Someone who can help in practice. And can be someone to come off the bench, should we suffer a extreme amount of injuries  at one time.  Makes sense to me. Anyone from Evansville fill the bill ?

[BGleas]

1 minute ago, IU Scott said:

I just think with the way kids think today where they are not willing to wait there turn it is harder to use all of your scholarships.  30 years ago kids were willing to wait a year or two for their turn to be key players but today they are not.

Agree. I think IU is definitely filled up at the guard/wings spots with who is coming back and who is coming in (assuming Lander is coming), but I could see a scenario where a big that can stretch the floor could fit if one comes available. It would have to be a grad transfer in the Evan Fitzner or Max Bielfeldt role, one where they know they may not play much but if called into action they can provide some shooting and depth at the 5, but I think one of those becoming available at this point is a long shot. 

[milehiiu]

16 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I would agree if this was late March or early April but now most of the top players are already signed.

I am not talking about a top player. Rather, one who has experience playing the game. Would love to get a degree from IU.  And also go down in history as a player that wore the Candy Stripes.  Anybody from Valpo, qualify ?

[IU Scott]

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

Agree. I think IU is definitely filled up at the guard/wings spots with who is coming back and who is coming in (assuming Lander is coming), but I could see a scenario where a big that can stretch the floor could fit if one comes available. It would have to be a grad transfer in the Evan Fitzner or Max Bielfeldt role, one where they know they may not play much but if called into action they can provide some shooting and depth at the 5, but I think one of those becoming available at this point is a long shot. 

Actually I would rather have gotten a regular transfer who would have to sit out a year.  Get a big like the kid from Wake Forest who would sit it next year and be ready in a year when TJD might leave.

[BGleas]

2 minutes ago, milehiiu said:

Warm body.  Better to waist on someone who has experience playing the game. Someone who can help in practice. And can be someone to come off the bench, should we suffer a extreme amount of injuries  at one time.  Makes sense to me. Anyone from Evansville fill the bill ?

I don't know? I think the point that many of us are making is that at this point in the game and with who IU has coming back and coming in, at best you're probably looking at a Tim Priller type level of talent. Maybe someone like Evan Fitzner. There's no room at the guard/wing spot. 

You have to look at it just not from IU's point of view but from the players point of view as well. There aren't a lot of available minutes to be had. IU has most of its roster returning. I know you think an IU degree is enough, but players want to be on the court, not sitting on the bench. Most players transfer because they want to play more, not less. 

[BGleas]

Just now, IU Scott said:

Actually I would rather have gotten a regular transfer who would have to sit out a year.  Get a big like the kid from Wake Forest who would sit it next year and be ready in a year when TJD might leave.

Completely agree. 

[IU Scott]

2 minutes ago, milehiiu said:

I am not talking about a top player. Rather, one who has experience playing the game. Would love to get a degree from IU.  And also go down in history as a player that wore the Candy Stripes.  Anybody from Valpo, qualify ?

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this topic.

[milehiiu]

11 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this topic.

No problem.  I just hate letting a scholarship go free.  Knowing there are plenty of guys who grew up in Indiana who would give their eye teeth to play for IU.  Even if it were for just one year. Or to ride the bench. I know I would have loved that chance. Even knowing I was not up to the level on my 8th grade team, who had the then Mr. Biddy Basketball of the World, (1960 Gary's team won it all), two 6-8 guys ( in 8th grade ), and Bobby Malinich who went for 50 plus points numerous times in high school

[go_iu_bb]

11 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Actually I would rather have gotten a regular transfer who would have to sit out a year.  Get a big like the kid from Wake Forest who would sit it next year and be ready in a year when TJD might leave.

He's probably not going to have to sit for a year. It's pretty common these days for a waiver to be granted if the head coach leaves/gets fired.

[IU Scott]

3 minutes ago, milehiiu said:

No problem.  I just hate letting a scholarship go free.  Knowing there are plenty of guys who grew up in Indiana who would give their eye teeth to play for IU.  Even if it were for just one year. Or to ride the bench. I know I would have loved that chance. Even knowing I was not up to the level on my 8th grade team, who had the then Mr. Biddy Basketball of the World, two 6-8 guys ( in 8th grade ), and Bobby Malinich who went for 50 plus points numerous times in high school

That would just be throwing away  at least $40,000 just to fill a scholarship.

[IU Scott]

1 minute ago, go_iu_bb said:

He's probably not going to have to sit for a year. It's pretty common these days for a waiver to be granted if the head coach leaves/gets fired.

Not just him but a big who would have to sit out a would be better than getting a guy for one year.

[milehiiu]

11 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

That would just be throwing away  at least $40,000 just to fill a scholarship.

For a kid who can get a grad degree from IU. Who's to say that is throwing any money away, when the NCAA is now allowing scholarship players to be paid ?

No. I would much rather give a scholarship to any kid. Especially if he is an Indiana kid. Than let it go to waste  It's not like IU can't afford it.  Have you checked IU's endowment lately ?  Last I checked, it was in excess of $2.4 billion.   Well within the top 20 in the nation.

 

[IU Scott]

2 minutes ago, milehiiu said:

For a kid who can get a grad degree from IU. Who's to say that is throwing any money away, when the NCAA is now allowing scholarship players to be paid ?

No. I would much rather give a scholarship to any kid. Especially if he is an Indiana kid. Than let it go to waist.  It's not like IU can't afford it.  Have you checked IU's endowment lately ?

 

Any player worth a scholarship is probably already signed and I am not in favor of just handing a scholarship out to a guy who had no chance to contribute.  If we are going to do that just give it one of our current walkons.  Again any competitive player will want to play and not just to go to a place to sit.  Kids today did not grow up dreaming of putting nthe candy stripes like we did back in the day.

[milehiiu]

7 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Any player worth a scholarship is probably already signed and I am not in favor of just handing a scholarship out to a guy who had no chance to contribute.  If we are going to do that just give it one of our current walkons.  Again any competitive player will want to play and not just to go to a place to sit.  Kids today did not grow up dreaming of putting nthe candy stripes like we did back in the day.

Hey. I can go with giving a scholarship to a current walk on.  Good point. Indiana kid. So long as he knew it would most likely be for just one season. Still leaves the team short for practice. But then. Bring on a team manager for practice.  Heck, Crean brought one in for a game early into his career at IU.

Great discussion, people !

[dgambill]

I would prefer to have 10-11 active scholarship players with 1-2 red shirt freshman....but the days of kids redshirting are almost gone completely it seems. That would take care of trying to find playing time and also player development.

[IU Scott]

On 5/4/2020 at 5:39 PM, IU Scott said:

Not just him but a big who would have to sit out a would be better than getting a guy for one year.

I just saw where  Sarr from Wake Forest committed to UK

[CC_Hoosier]

19 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I just saw where  Sarr from Wake Forest committed to UK

As he said it's a better "fit" than Wake Forest lol

[FKIM01]

Cash fits nicely in his new wallet and he fits nicely in his new ride.

[Euroclydon]

After Haarms passed on them I predicted they would adjust the budget and convince someone to transfer or reclassify. That was pretty easy to see coming.

Even some of their own fans were making it clear they did not care what it takes to get at least two more bigs. They don't even pretend to care about cheating anymore. But they love to call out other programs for what they perceive as cheating.