rico Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 So what players do you guys feel just don't seem to get their due? Dale Murphy? Dave Concepcion? Vida Blue? I stumbled upon an old Toronto Blue Jay hat the other day. It made me think about Dave Stieb. Guy was a helluva pitcher. I looked up his stats and became more impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 In 1994, Tony Gwynn hit .394 and finished 7th in the MVP voting. A .338 career hitter, the highest he ever finished in the MVP voting was 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 In his 20 year MLB career, HoFer Robin Yount made the AL AS team only 3x. He was was the AL MVP twice. One of the years he was named MVP, he did not get named to the AS team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 Tony Oliva... Rookie of the year 3X batting champ .304 lifetime average 8X all-star Gold Glove winner Should be in the HOF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Tony Oliva... Rookie of the year 3X batting champ .304 lifetime average 8X all-star Gold Glove winner Should be in the HOF... A tad before my time, wish I could have seen him play in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 Joe Shlabotnik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 Vada Pinson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 Dick (or Richie) Allen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 Dwight Evans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 Bill Buckner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 Bear with me on this. This guy is still considered by many to be on the outside looking in when it comes to meriting Hall of Fame induction. Joey Votto: Career WAR is 14th best among first basemen. Every retired first baseman ahead of him is in the Hall of Fame except steroid tainted Rafael Palmeiro. His career WAR is higher than 11 first basemen who are in the HOF (includes Eddie Murray, Harmon Killebrew, Tony Perez, Hank Greenberg, etc.) His career OBP of .4213 is best among active players and ranks 17th all time among ALL position players. The only other active player with an OBP higher than .400 is Mike Trout. He's led the N/L in OBP 7 times. His career batting average of .307 is 3rd among active players, behind only Miguel Cabrerra and Jose Altuve. He is an underrated fielder. Has won a Gold Glove and 6 times has led N/L first basemen in assists in his career. Check out this play he made with a runner on second to preserve Homer Bailey's no-hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 14 hours ago, 5fouls said: Bear with me on this. This guy is still considered by many to be on the outside looking in when it comes to meriting Hall of Fame induction. Joey Votto: Career WAR is 14th best among first basemen. Every retired first baseman ahead of him is in the Hall of Fame except steroid tainted Rafael Palmeiro. His career WAR is higher than 11 first basemen who are in the HOF (includes Eddie Murray, Harmon Killebrew, Tony Perez, Hank Greenberg, etc.) His career OBP of .4213 is best among active players and ranks 17th all time among ALL position players. The only other active player with an OBP higher than .400 is Mike Trout. He's led the N/L in OBP 7 times. His career batting average of .307 is 3rd among active players, behind only Miguel Cabrerra and Jose Altuve. He is an underrated fielder. Has won a Gold Glove and 6 times has led N/L first basemen in assists in his career. Check out this play he made with a runner on second to preserve Homer Bailey's no-hitter. In this day and age of metrics. I can't imagine Joey not getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 Luis Tiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 56 minutes ago, rico said: In this day and age of metrics. I can't imagine Joey not getting in. Here's an article that discusses the chances of active candidates. This particular writer is skeptical of Votto's chances. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/what-active-mlb-players-will-make-hall-of-fame-trout-cabrera-pujols-among-locks-cano-on-the-bubble/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 Brian Downing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 Curt Flood and Garry Maddox...2 great centerfielders who are both over .285 lifetime... "Two thirds of the earth are covered by water. The other third is covered by Garry Maddox." And Thurman Munson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 Tommy John. He's overshadowed by his surgery, but his stats are HOF worthy. Looking at them, I don't quite understand why he's not in. 288 wins Ranks 20th all time in innings pitched. Of the 19 guys in front of him, 17 are in the Hall. The two that are not are Roger Clemens (steroids) and some guy that pitched in the 1800s named Bobby Mathews. Edit: His 288 wins are the most not in the Hall except for the same two guys as listed above. Compare him to Robin Roberts, who is in the Hall. John: 288-231 record; 3.34 ERA; 2,245 K's; 4,710 Innings Pitched Roberts; 286-245 record; 3.41 ERA; 2,357 K's; 4,689 Innings Pitched If one is in, they both have to be....right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Tommy John. He's overshadowed by his surgery, but his stats are HOF worthy. Looking at them, I don't quite understand why he's not in. 288 wins Ranks 20th all time in innings pitched. Of the 19 guys in front of him, 17 are in the Hall. The two that are not are Roger Clemens (steroids) and some guy that pitched in the 1800s named Bobby Mathews. Edit: His 288 wins are the most not in the Hall except for the same two guys as listed above. Compare him to Robin Roberts, who is in the Hall. John: 288-231 record; 3.34 ERA; 2,245 K's; 4,710 Innings Pitched Roberts; 286-245 record; 3.41 ERA; 2,357 K's; 4,689 Innings Pitched If one is in, they both have to be....right? I never understood why Tommy wasn't in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 Here's a pretty good most underrated team. Some of the names already mentioned here. One name I always think is lost is Joe Carter. People remember his World Series dong for sure.....but he put up some huge numbers for a decade plus. Never a hit for average guy but if Carter was around during steroids era he would have given Sosa/Bonds/Mac a run for their money. https://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/54548/the-all-time-all-underrated-team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 22 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Here's a pretty good most underrated team. Some of the names already mentioned here. One name I always think is lost is Joe Carter. People remember his World Series dong for sure.....but he put up some huge numbers for a decade plus. Never a hit for average guy but if Carter was around during steroids era he would have given Sosa/Bonds/Mac a run for their money. https://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/54548/the-all-time-all-underrated-team I noticed that Rick Reuschel was on that list. I had forgotten about him. He was one fine pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 12 hours ago, rico said: I noticed that Rick Reuschel was on that list. I had forgotten about him. He was one fine pitcher. "Bo Jackson says hello!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 12 hours ago, IUFLA said: "Bo Jackson says hello!" "Super" Joe Charboneau says hello to Bo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 12 hours ago, IUFLA said: "Bo Jackson says hello!" Here's a good trivia question... Who are the only siblings to combine for a shutout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Here's a good trivia question... Who are the only siblings to combine for a shutout? Rick and Paul Reuschel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, rico said: Rick and Paul Reuschel? Yessir, couple of big boys, those 2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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