Brass Cannon Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 17 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Is this video for real? If so, the police aren't doing themselves any favors. Wow. These guys have not been trained sufficiently in de escalation tactics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Wow. These guys have not been trained sufficiently in de escalation tactics It would be hard to argue any cop in that video is a good cop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 Guess a curfew is in effect in Indianapolis tonight. Guess they anticipating another night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Nope. Home - yes, business, no. You don’t get to defend personal property with deadly force unless you are acting in self defense, as in you are threatened with physical harm. That’s basic criminal law in basically every state except - wait for it - Texas, which is generally referred to as the one free shot state. In your home, if someone breaks in that’s usually a much more dangerous situation. This discussion started about a guy who stands in his business ready to shotgun down anyone who comes in. Get a grip - that’s murder, and unless he was physically threatened he’d be charged and would go to jail for murder I'm not talking about someone just walking through the door who might be a legitimate customer. But if I had a store and someone knocks out the glass and climbs in with a crowbar they are getting shot. How you could argue such person didn't deserve to be shot is beyond belief to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, dbmhoosier said: I'm not talking about someone just walking through the door who might be a legitimate customer. But if I had a store and someone knocks out the glass and climbs in with a crowbar they are getting shot. How you could argue such person didn't deserve to be shot is beyond belief to me. Exactly. If the police would protect private property, there would be no need for citizens to do it. I can't fault someone for protecting their life savings. You can't count on insurance to make you whole. And you can't count on the police to be there when you need them. Kudos to those stepping up and protecting their neighborhood stores and their own businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 2020 sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, Reacher said: Exactly. If the police would protect private property, there would be no need for citizens to do it. I can't fault someone for protecting their life savings. You can't count on insurance to make you whole. And you can't count on the police to be there when you need them. Kudos to those stepping up and protecting their neighborhood stores and their own businesses. Isn't that sentiment exactly at the heart of these protests?? A population of people who feel like the police aren't protecting them. They feel like they can't count on the police and they're taking to the streets to be heard. Can't kudos be given to those demanding justice and equality? *And to be clear: one shouldn't conflate Protestors and Looters. The latter group is finding opportunity through under the cover of the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 25 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: I'm not talking about someone just walking through the door who might be a legitimate customer. But if I had a store and someone knocks out the glass and climbs in with a crowbar they are getting shot. How you could argue such person didn't deserve to be shot is beyond belief to me. Valuing human life Shouldn’t be that hard to understand. But people not understanding it is why these protesters are out there so guess it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Valuing human life Shouldn’t be that hard to understand. But people not understanding it is why these protesters are out there so guess it is Anyone who loots a store clearly doesn't value their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Anyone who loots a store clearly doesn't value their life. Lol Ok. Forgot you were the arbiter of what people value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 May be disturbing to some The couple in the video above were just protecting their store, and were then beaten by 2x4's. And if someone enters a house while you are there, they are most likely there for more than just property and will be dealt with accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: May be disturbing to some The couple in the video above were just protecting their store, and were then beaten by 2x4's. And if someone enters a house while you are there, they are most likely there for more than just property and will be dealt with accordingly. Home is different than a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Brass Cannon said: Home is different than a business. True, I think if your are defending yourself while operating your business then self defense should apply but going, knowing what you are getting into is taking your chances imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostin76 Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 NYPD Shoving Young Woman to the Ground One of the reasons we were so pissed last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said: And you’ll go to jail The hell I will. Listen, if you want to "give away" your stuff or let your car, house, or buildings go up in fire that is your business. But I choose to protect all that is mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Lol Ok. Forgot you were the arbiter of what people value I guess a lot of people "value" stuff that ain't theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, rico said: The hell I will. Listen, if you want to "give away" your stuff or let your car, house, or buildings go up in fire that is your business. But I choose to protect all that is mine. That’s not a legal defense. Feel free to try it though. Judges have a stressful job and could use the laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: That’s not a legal defense. Feel free to try it though. Judges have a stressful job and could use the laugh. All I can is try looting my place.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, Lostin76 said: NYPD Shoving Young Woman to the Ground One of the reasons we were so pissed last night. That cop should be charged with assault at the minimum. If I did that I would be in a cell. Getting real tired of some of these stooges abusing their "authority". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostin76 Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: That cop should be charged with assault at the minimum. If I did that I would be in a cell. Getting real tired of these stooges abusing their "authority". Makes my blood boil. This was from Friday night one street over from ours. Can you imagine if it was your daughter, your sister? There were many other videos circulating of the NYPD attacking protestors from Friday. I think that's why our hood was so angry and torched so many police cars last night. One positive is that there was no looting of stores/homes in our area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, rico said: All I can is try looting my place.... A vague threat is also not a legal defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 Kind of funny that the same people in this topic that are saying the protesters are in the wrong because they are breaking the law are simultaneously the ones acting like the law doesn’t apply to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 42 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Anyone who loots a store clearly doesn't value their life. And is clearly not protesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: A vague threat is also not a legal defense If the y come inside your business and are stealing your stuff then you have the right to protect your property. Last night in LA they were showing people busting windows of a shoe store and people going inside the business. They had weapons to break the windows do once they stepped inside the owner has the right to protect their stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, dbmhoosier said: I'm not talking about someone just walking through the door who might be a legitimate customer. But if I had a store and someone knocks out the glass and climbs in with a crowbar they are getting shot. How you could argue such person didn't deserve to be shot is beyond belief to me. Wait, you’re a lawyer and you’re posting this drivel? seriously? Have fun in jail. You don’t get to defend personal property with deadly force. And you ignored, again, the starting point here - guy stands in his shop with his shotgun waiting to shoot anyone who breaks in. Just stupid - no, you don’t get to play cops and robbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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