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Didn't read all of the posts, this is just a topic that hit's home way too much! Don't believe me read my OP http://www.hoosiersportsnation.com/index.php?/topic/6082-dancing-with-a-co-worker/&tab=comments#comment-187211

I could go on a pages long dissertation but I'll keep my comments to two short ones.

First, we are ALL racist's to some degree or other! Whether its simply being our preference in the people we hang with or full blown Racism, it's still racist and it's NOT just whites! 

Second, none of this is going to go away until we all accept the first comment, and then learn to start accepting and even enjoying each others cultures!

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100% support and love to the peaceful protesters in every city last night. The protesters in our neighborhood last night were orderly, masked, AND actually practicing social distancing while they could. Families were cheering them from their windows and stoops. Total solidarity.

Certain factions of the NYPD behaved horribly last night, but they always do in these situations. I understand that it's tough to keep your cool, but we have a lot of hotheads incapable of de-escalating things. I have also interacted with some very cool and supportive NYPD officers. They are out there, but unfortunately they get overshadowed by some of their more ignorant and aggressive coworkers.

There were also protestors that got out of hand and overly aggressive. They are angry, feeling helpless, and itching to let out their frustrations. I get that. I feel it too.

As I type this, I do realize that many members of the police forces probably feel the same way. How frustrating must this be to the good cop (yes, they exist), who really does believe in supporting and protecting his/her community, to have that same community screaming at them? I've talked to some of these cops as they support and protect marathon runners, and my heart is also with them.

BUT, this country has a problem. It's not getting better. It's getting worse. I don't know what the solutions are, but it's not sitting on your butt and doing nothing while black and brown people are targeted and killed by the police.

Why did they have to use teargas on people in Fort Wayne? That did not look good from the video I saw. Any local people have non-Facebook insight on that? It looked like it was mostly peaceful families.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Reacher said:

SMH, 170 businesses destroyed in MN. After the curfew last night, police and national guard withdrew to give the "peaceful protesters), the ones kidnapping, burning, looting, ample space. What's peaceful about that? 

Source for the kidnapping?

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Coverage I watched from Minneapolis, authorities did not start any deterrence until around midnight central time. At that point several businesses surrounding the 5th precinct were ablaze. The teargas pushback did not start until people tried to set fire to the precinct itself. According to reporters on scene, by this point the protest group had diminished significantly from the one that had marched several miles starting from Viking Stadium through the downtown. 

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8 minutes ago, D-BONE said:

Coverage I watched from Minneapolis, authorities did not start any deterrence until around midnight central time. At that point several businesses surrounding the 5th precinct were ablaze. The teargas pushback did not start until people tried to set fire to the precinct itself. According to reporters on scene, by this point the protest group had diminished significantly from the one that had marched several miles starting from Viking Stadium through the downtown. 

Was talking about a few days ago. The genie is out of the bottle at this point. We’re in a series of escalations at this point. How far does it escalate though. 
 

Nobody can stop this with words.  The protesters don’t trust anybody in power because they have heard meaningless promises of change before. 

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1 hour ago, Reacher said:

It is a fact the white people did not destroy the state house. 

You do not know what would have happened, you have an opinion.

I already said, I completely understand why some people in some areas have that concern. When you get away from some big cities, understand some people may have different views. 

I was born in a tiny, southern IN town. I know about different views. I was raised in a family that used the N-word casually. My only view was the view of a lower middle class white kid. Then I joined the Navy, traveled, met people from different cultures. I learned to respect said cultures.

Lived in the South for many years and learned to respect that culture - or most of it. Some of it I couldn't understand or agree with.

Now I live in Brooklyn, and I am inundated with different views.

I do get that you and I live in very different settings and have different views - we both love plants and IU basketball though.

If the police had started firing rubber bullets and teargas at those armed white protestors, that would have been a complete shit show. I know that. I am glad that the armed protestors didn't destroy the state house though. Maybe their anger over not being able to get a haircut isn't the same type/level as anger over generations of your people being killed by a police force that you actually pay to protect you and your family.

Those cops at the statehouse did a good job of deescalating things. We have them to thank for that protest not getting out of hand. But I will always wonder how that would have ended if the protestors were black and heavily armed.

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2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Was talking about a few days ago. The genie is out of the bottle at this point. We’re in a series of escalations at this point. How far does it escalate though. 
 

Nobody can stop this with words.  The protesters don’t trust anybody in power because they have heard meaningless promises of change before. 

There is no doubt in my mind as to your last point. The frustration and outrage are palpable and justified. I hope there are words and/or actions that can alleviate the extreme aggression or otherwise refocus this moment on pursuing progress. I say that in terms of violence on both sides - protest and protection (riot and control if you prefer).

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1 minute ago, Lostin76 said:

I was born in a tiny, southern IN town. I know about different views. I was raised in a family that used the N-word casually. My only view was the view of a lower middle class white kid. Then I joined the Navy, traveled, met people from different cultures. I learned to respect said cultures.

Lived in the South for many years and learned to respect that culture - or most of it. Some of it I couldn't understand or agree with.

Now I live in Brooklyn, and I am inundated with different views.

I do get that you and I live in very different settings and have different views - we both love plants and IU basketball though.

If the police had started firing rubber bullets and teargas at those armed white protestors, that would have been a complete shit show. I know that. I am glad that the armed protestors didn't destroy the state house though. Maybe their anger over not being able to get a haircut isn't the same type/level as anger over generations of your people being killed by a police force that you actually pay to protect you and your family.

Those cops at the statehouse did a good job of deescalating things. We have them to thank for that protest not getting out of hand. But I will always wonder how that would have ended if the protestors were black and heavily armed.

Armed black men escorted a sitting member of the Michigan legislature to the statehouse and nothing happened...

It was their right, and they exercised it...

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9 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Armed black men escorted a sitting member of the Michigan legislature to the statehouse and nothing happened...

It was their right, and they exercised it...

Still don’t understand why cops didn’t do that

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Brother lives in Rosedale, Twin Cities suburb. His kids and grandkids live in Minneapolis and St Paul.All are safe but clearly things are a mess.

Governor just had a statewide call. Shots fired at officers and Molotov cocktails thrown. They did a search of the Dark Web and discovered several groups of professional problem causers. They estimated 80% of the attendees were out of state rioters. 

If this is true, not sure this was ever meant to be a peaceful protest 

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1 minute ago, Steubenhoosier said:

Brother lives in Rosedale, Twin Cities suburb. His kids and grandkids live in Minneapolis and St Paul.All are safe but clearly things are a mess.

Governor just had a statewide call. Shots fired at officers and Molotov cocktails thrown. They did a search of the Dark Web and discovered several groups of professional problem causers. They estimated 80% of the attendees were out of state rioters. 

If this is true, not sure this was ever meant to be a peaceful protest 

Yeah I guess a group out in Oregon recognized a group of looters as a paramilitary group out there.  

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10 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said:

Brother lives in Rosedale, Twin Cities suburb. His kids and grandkids live in Minneapolis and St Paul.All are safe but clearly things are a mess.

Governor just had a statewide call. Shots fired at officers and Molotov cocktails thrown. They did a search of the Dark Web and discovered several groups of professional problem causers. They estimated 80% of the attendees were out of state rioters. 

If this is true, not sure this was ever meant to be a peaceful protest 

Sounds like Domestic Terrorism then

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1 hour ago, Lostin76 said:

100% support and love to the peaceful protesters in every city last night. The protesters in our neighborhood last night were orderly, masked, AND actually practicing social distancing while they could. Families were cheering them from their windows and stoops. Total solidarity.

Certain factions of the NYPD behaved horribly last night, but they always do in these situations. I understand that it's tough to keep your cool, but we have a lot of hotheads incapable of de-escalating things. I have also interacted with some very cool and supportive NYPD officers. They are out there, but unfortunately they get overshadowed by some of their more ignorant and aggressive coworkers.

There were also protestors that got out of hand and overly aggressive. They are angry, feeling helpless, and itching to let out their frustrations. I get that. I feel it too.

As I type this, I do realize that many members of the police forces probably feel the same way. How frustrating must this be to the good cop (yes, they exist), who really does believe in supporting and protecting his/her community, to have that same community screaming at them? I've talked to some of these cops as they support and protect marathon runners, and my heart is also with them.

BUT, this country has a problem. It's not getting better. It's getting worse. I don't know what the solutions are, but it's not sitting on your butt and doing nothing while black and brown people are targeted and killed by the police.

Why did they have to use teargas on people in Fort Wayne? That did not look good from the video I saw. Any local people have non-Facebook insight on that? It looked like it was mostly peaceful families.

 

 

Do you have a history in the use of police tactics? 

 

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1 minute ago, btownqb said:

Coming here to complain about multiple police departments, when you really have no idea everything that goes into those decisions especially right now, is a waste. 

Do you have a history in the use of police tactics? 

There are way, way, way more good cops then you want to make people believe on here. Its embarrassing they have to be used for this, please tell me why they're rioting in Fort Wayne because some shit happened in Minneapolis. Absolutely nothing good comes from this crap. 

These individuals in rioting cities have zero love and all that other crap people spew. They ZERO right to do what they've done. You can sympathize with their frustrations, but to just shrug it off because a group of people it upset.. nahh. 

So I guess you oppose the American revolution?

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Just now, Brass Cannon said:

So I guess you oppose the American revolution?

I edited my post. Idc to get into all of it today. 

Its going to be 75 and sunny today. ✌

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2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I edited my post. Idc to get into all of it today. 

Its going to be 75 and sunny today. ✌

Lol in other words you don’t need consistency in your logic. You just want to tell others they are wrong and your the arbiter of right. 

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2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Lol in other words you don’t need consistency in your logic. You just want to tell others they are wrong and your the arbiter of right. 

No. I'm going to Nashville IN to go to the shops today and do some day drinking, he can respond and I'll leave it at that. 

Literally why I deleted that entire post and left one sentence. This isn't as important to me, as it is to you. 

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Two days ago. There was a "peaceful protest" on the steps of the Colorado Capital building.  A beautiful building with a true gold leaf cap. And a step that designates 5,280 feet above sea level.    Nearly as soon as the"peaceful protest" started.... seven shots rang out.  Hitting the Capital building.  ONE.... went through a window.  Wizzing past the head of a lady State Senator.  She is black.  And then issued a public statement begging for "peaceful protests. "

Colorado State Capitol Building in Denver

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18 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Do you have a history in the use of police tactics? 

 

In the military they trained us how to police our area, how to handle crowds, and how to deescalate situations. I've also been a part of many peaceful protests.

As to the part of your post you deleted, I pointed out in my post that good cops exist. As do bad. I also pointed out that there were peaceful protestors and some not not so peaceful.

I did not devolve to generalizations like you chose to do. Not everyone is "these people."

If you want to take the stand against protesting, enjoy being on the wrong side of history. Our country was founded on protest and many of us served to protect that right.

 

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1 hour ago, D-BONE said:

Coverage I watched from Minneapolis, authorities did not start any deterrence until around midnight central time. At that point several businesses surrounding the 5th precinct were ablaze. The teargas pushback did not start until people tried to set fire to the precinct itself. According to reporters on scene, by this point the protest group had diminished significantly from the one that had marched several miles starting from Viking Stadium through the downtown. 

Isn't there some type of curfew?

On a side note: No disturbances down here in Evansville, with the exception of some blacks shooting other blacks.

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11 minutes ago, Lostin76 said:

In the military they trained us how to police our area, how to handle crowds, and how to deescalate situations. I've also been a part of many peaceful protests.

As to the part of your post you deleted, I pointed out in my post that good cops exist. As do bad. I also pointed out that there were peaceful protestors and some not not so peaceful.

I did not devolve to generalizations like you chose to do. Not everyone is "these people."

If you want to take the stand against protesting, enjoy being on the wrong side of history. Our country was founded on protest and many of us served to protect that right.

 

You know, you defeat your own argument when you on one hand, champion protests, and on the other, mock others as you did with this post...

1 hour ago, Lostin76 said:

Maybe their anger over not being able to get a haircut isn't the same type/level as anger over generations of your people being killed by a police force that you actually pay to protect you and your family.

I'm quite sure the people who were at the Michigan statehouse weren't there over "not being able to get a haircut."  

And you know it...

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6 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

You know, you defeat your own argument when you on one hand, champion protests, and on the other, mock as you did with this post...

I'm quite sure the people who were at the Michigan statehouse weren't there over "not being able to get a haircut."  

And you know it...

Maybe it was the "I Need a Haircut" sign that made me think that?

Protesting against your state actually trying to ensure your safety during a pandemic and protesting against your state killing people on film are two different things.

 

 

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