rico Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 Doesn't seem they go together does it? Well I imagine some people are holding their breath at Wichita St. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wichita-state-presidents-job-on-line-as-former-board-member-says-cancellation-of-ivanka-trump-speech-puts-koch-money-at-risk-2020-06-10?mod=mw_more_headlines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 Ruh-roh. You used the "P" word. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Ruh-roh. You used the "P" word. 😀 Regardless, Koch makes Shocker world go 'round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 Oh, the things I'd like to say here, but alas...it would not end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 I’m not sure I care who it is, which side of the isle they come from or what their viewpoint is. I always thought the college campus should be where all ideas are discussed and debated. Freedom of speech is, in fact, the freedom of unpopular speech, nobody much cares when politically correct speakers are promoted. It’s the fringe from either end of the spectrum that need to be protected and debated or debunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDom Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, SteveS said: I’m not sure I care who it is, which side of the isle they come from or what their viewpoint is. I always thought the college campus should be where all ideas are discussed and debated. Freedom of speech is, in fact, the freedom of unpopular speech, nobody much cares when politically correct speakers are promoted. It’s the fringe from either end of the spectrum that need to be protected and debated or debunked. Should those fringe speeches be at graduations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, HoosierDom said: Should those fringe speeches be at graduations? Well, she was not too fringe to be invited in the first place. Seems a bit thin skinned to cancel because a professor and “almost 500” others didn’t like it. I’m not a big fan of Ivanka Trump, or her husband, but that doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be allowed to speak to college graduates. Especially since she is currently involved in diplomatic negotiations with many other countries and the UN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 IU is literally a state school. With elections of people who fall in varying levels of the political spectrum. Politics are involved in colleges thus also college sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Guys no politics here. That means no talk of Trump, Biden, Ivanka, etc. I know you guys know, so stick with it thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 https://www.al.com/alabamabasketball/2015/04/koch_brothers_gregg_marshall_wichita.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 21 hours ago, HoosierDom said: Should those fringe speeches be at graduations? I don't think I was too fond of the graduation speaker at mine 30 years ago. I didn't boycott however. You are never going to please everyone. Have none or let people accept it for what it is . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 22 hours ago, SteveS said: I’m not sure I care who it is, which side of the isle they come from or what their viewpoint is. I always thought the college campus should be where all ideas are discussed and debated. Freedom of speech is, in fact, the freedom of unpopular speech, nobody much cares when politically correct speakers are promoted. It’s the fringe from either end of the spectrum that need to be protected and debated or debunked. I had a HS sociology class where the teacher invited in a KKK member. We learned that the first amendment guarantees free speech. You may not agree with said speech, and don't have to, but you take away someones right to speak and someone can take away your right to speak. Countless lives have been lost protecting our freedoms. There is a reason its part of the first amendment. I'm not so sure if that is taught nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUguy Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Reacher said: I had a HS sociology class where the teacher invited in a KKK member. We learned that the first amendment guarantees free speech. You may not agree with said speech, and don't have to, but you take away someones right to speak and someone can take away your right to speak. Countless lives have been lost protecting our freedoms. There is a reason its part of the first amendment. I'm not so sure if that is taught nowadays. Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 9 hours ago, rico said: https://www.al.com/alabamabasketball/2015/04/koch_brothers_gregg_marshall_wichita.html Bet they would like to rethink that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Reacher said: I had a HS sociology class where the teacher invited in a KKK member. We learned that the first amendment guarantees free speech. You may not agree with said speech, and don't have to, but you take away someones right to speak and someone can take away your right to speak. Countless lives have been lost protecting our freedoms. There is a reason its part of the first amendment. I'm not so sure if that is taught nowadays. Now a days your teacher would never work again, and you and all of your classmates would be put into conversion therapy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, dgambill said: Bet they would like to rethink that one. Yeah, when you pissed the biggest donors off it would be an "ut oh" moment. Marshall is only at Wichita because the Koch's coughed up the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, rico said: Yeah, when you pissed the biggest donors off it would be an "ut oh" moment. Marshall is only at Wichita because the Koch's coughed up the money. Yeah...but now that Marshall has lost his luster maybe they arent so concerned. Definitely a problem though when you start chasing money and donations. They had no problem with the politics when they needed money to build what they want and hire the professors but then when that person becomes unpopular it’s oh we didn’t know that about them...let’s rename that science building etc. but well the money has been spent. I have a hard time with cancel culture/rename this or that. I’d reckon to say everyone of us probably has an opinion or two that differs from the mainstream somewhere in all the many many issues whether it’s far right, left, conspiracists or whatever but that doesn’t make the person and their accomplishments and good deeds all bad just because they may have been outside the norm of the current modern opinion...especially when societal norms change so often. To think our opinion if we lived in a different time period or part of the country or world wouldn’t likely be different seems pretty foolish. Hindsight is 20/20 they say...easy to judge from our glass houses...especially when the person is long removed perhaps from the action or opinion or heck dead and can’t defend their words or actions. Just not a fan. People are imperfect and judging them on just one action or opinion seems pretty harsh and doesn’t change all the good they did for others. Guess it would be nice we put things in perspective but unfortunately today it’s character assassination and paint with a wide brush and rush to judgement. You would think we can honor the good in people an acknowledge they may have still had imperfect character at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Reacher said: I had a HS sociology class where the teacher invited in a KKK member. We learned that the first amendment guarantees free speech. You may not agree with said speech, and don't have to, but you take away someones right to speak and someone can take away your right to speak. Countless lives have been lost protecting our freedoms. There is a reason its part of the first amendment. I'm not so sure if that is taught nowadays. The first amendment doesn’t mean everybody is entitled to an invitation to come speak to children. Your teacher should have been fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: The first amendment doesn’t mean everybody is entitled to an invitation to come speak to children. Your teacher should have been fired. The first amendment is for everyone. The 2nd is too, and well all of them are. Maybe, if people could control their emotions, and react to things in a reasonable adult manner, alot of the crap we are dealing with could be mitigated. People need to quit being what I call "emotional pussies" Think and react rationally and logically, and quit letting emotions get in the way. Dry your tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macomb hoosier Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Kids should bring guns to school to learn about the second amendment as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, macomb hoosier said: Kids should bring guns to school to learn about the second amendment as well. Well no that's nuts, but an elective class led by a trained instructor to teach kids about them wouldn't be the worst thing. It's been done before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macomb hoosier Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Well no that's nuts, but an elective class led by a trained instructor to teach kids about them wouldn't be the worst thing. It's been done before. Dry your tears. We should also think about teaching illiteracy so students can learn the importance of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, macomb hoosier said: Dry your tears. We should also think about teaching illiteracy so students can learn the importance of thinking. Ok. The only way to solve illiteracy is for parents to get involved. I was taught to read early and was given books and a library membership by the age of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 7 hours ago, macomb hoosier said: Kids should bring guns to school to learn about the second amendment as well. Um, I got my Hunter Safety certificate in the 7th grade at school. Guns were used in the course. Taught by the local CO's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 8 hours ago, macomb hoosier said: Kids should bring guns to school to learn about the second amendment as well. The Denver Public School system voted just this past week to remove all resource officers from their schools. A phased out plan, which means by this time next year, there will be no resource officers in any Denver Public School Have they forgotten about Columbine ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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