IUFLA Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 And then guys who you've actually seen play... Historical 1st base Lou Gehrig 2nd base Joe Morgan SS Honus Wagner 3rd Base George Brett LF Ted Williams CF Willie Mays RF Babe Ruth C Johnny Bench P Walter Johnson Guys I've watched 1B Willie McCovey 2B Morgan SS Ozzie Smith 3B Brett C Bench LF Henry Aaron (though he mainly played RF...I couldn't leave him or Clemente off) CF Mays RF Roberto Clemente P Tom Seaver or Bob Gibson...can't choose... Anybody else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 hours ago, IUFLA said: And then guys who you've actually seen play... Historical 1st base Lou Gehrig 2nd base Joe Morgan SS Honus Wagner 3rd Base George Brett LF Ted Williams CF Willie Mays RF Babe Ruth C Johnny Bench P Walter Johnson Guys I've watched 1B Willie McCovey 2B Morgan SS Ozzie Smith 3B Brett C Bench LF Henry Aaron (though he mainly played RF...I couldn't leave him or Clemente off) CF Mays RF Roberto Clemente P Tom Seaver or Bob Gibson...can't choose... Anybody else? I'm going to have to do some thinking on mine. Especially those I've seen play portion. Gwynn, Jeter...might even take Schmidt over Brett on both lists. Sadly Pujols might even make my top 1B that I've actually seen play. Best pitchers that I've watched? Maddux, Gooden in his prime, Randy Johnson, Clemens.. That's the great and hard part about projecting all time great stuff in baseball....and I'm still not saying Morgan isn't the best but Sandberg but he played 6 more seasons and considerably more stacked lineups meaning he saw better pitches more often than Ryne did. Interesting comparison here. https://bapple2286.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/hall-of-fame-debate-joe-morgan-vs-ryne-sandberg/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Seeking6 said: I'm going to have to do some thinking on mine. Especially those I've seen play portion. Gwynn, Jeter...might even take Schmidt over Brett on both lists. Sadly Pujols might even make my top 1B that I've actually seen play. Best pitchers that I've watched? Maddux, Gooden in his prime, Randy Johnson, Clemens.. That's the great and hard part about projecting all time great stuff in baseball....and I'm still not saying Morgan isn't the best but Sandberg but he played 6 more seasons and considerably more stacked lineups meaning he saw better pitches more often than Ryne did. Interesting comparison here. https://bapple2286.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/hall-of-fame-debate-joe-morgan-vs-ryne-sandberg/ 100.5 career WAR versus 68.00. Sandberg has a lower WAR than Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, 5fouls said: 100.5 career WAR versus 68.00. Sandberg has a lower WAR than Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker. WAR in historical baseball.....haha. Context neutral compadre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 Historical: 1B Lou Gehrig 2B Rogers Hornsby SS Honus Wagner 3B Mike Schmidt RF Babe Ruth CF Willie Mays LF Ted Williams C Johnny Bench P Walter Johnson Guys I have seen in their prime: 1B Albert Pujols 2B Joe Morgan SS Cal Ripken Jr. 3B Mike Schmidt RF Reggie Jackson CF Ken Griffey Jr. LF Rickey Henderson C Johnny Bench P Greg Maddux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 5 hours ago, rico said: Historical: 1B Lou Gehrig 2B Rogers Hornsby SS Honus Wagner 3B Mike Schmidt RF Babe Ruth CF Willie Mays LF Ted Williams C Johnny Bench P Walter Johnson Great team Rico. I'm not sure I would change a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Great team Rico. I'm not sure I would change a thing. Thank you. It is a nice team but not the guys I would pick for my all-time line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Maybe better for a trivia question but just heard this stat. Highest batting average for right handed hitters who started their career after WWII was Kirby Puckett. I still go Griffey Jr on my all time CF for this thread i.e. who I've seen play....but it was odd Puckett never even crossed my mine. Amazing thing with baseball sometimes is the market you play in or in his case market he played in and subsequent off the field issues but Kirby didn't even come to my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 50 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Maybe better for a trivia question but just heard this stat. Highest batting average for right handed hitters who started their career after WWII was Kirby Puckett. I still go Griffey Jr on my all time CF for this thread i.e. who I've seen play....but it was odd Puckett never even crossed my mine. Amazing thing with baseball sometimes is the market you play in or in his case market he played in and subsequent off the field issues but Kirby didn't even come to my mind. Only 12 seasons in the league...I wonder what his stats would have been had he played another 8+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, rico said: Only 12 seasons in the league...I wonder what his stats would have been had he played another 8+ years. The stats I looked at said he average 209 hits per 162 games over his career. Obviously age would catch up and hurt those numbers but if he didn't develop eye issues....how close would he have been to 4000 hits with 8 more seasons. Had over 2300 when retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Seeking6 said: The stats I looked at said he average 209 hits per 162 games over his career. Obviously age would catch up and hurt those numbers but if he didn't develop eye issues....how close would he have been to 4000 hits with 8 more seasons. Had over 2300 when retired. I think I read where he was only one of four players to ever record 1,000 hits in his first 5 years. He showed no signs of "aging" when the eye issue came up. Definitely an under rated all-time great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Just now, rico said: I think I read where he was only one of four players to ever record 1,000 hits in his first 5 years. He showed no signs of "aging" when the eye issue came up. Definitely an under rated all-time great. Yep....I mean if kept his career pace he would be passing guys like Jeter, Musial, Aaron. Not a bad crew to be a member of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 The guy I always wonder about is Tony Conigliaro... He was only 22 when he got hit in the eye by the Jack Hamilton pitch, and he'd already hit 104 HRs, 50 before he turned 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, IUFLA said: The guy I always wonder about is Tony Conigliaro... He was only 22 when he got hit in the eye by the Jack Hamilton pitch, and he'd already hit 104 HRs, 50 before he turned 21. Wow. Didn't know.....geez what he could have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Wow. Didn't know.....geez what he could have done. He was on his way to 40 HRs in 1967..."The Impossible Dream" year that ended with the Red Sox losing to the Cardinals in 7 games in the World Series... He tried to come back and actually had a pretty good year in 1970, but his vision kept getting worse and he had to retire. He was perfect for Fenway Park. Right handed, immense power, and hit high flies that cleared The Monster with ease. I always thought how awesome he would have fit in on the 1975 Red Sox team I If he'd not gotten injured. Put him in a lineup that had Yaz, Pudge Fisk, Fred Lynn, and Jim Rice. He would have only been 30 years old... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, IUFLA said: He was on his way to 40 HRs in 1967..."The Impossible Dream" year that ended with the Red Sox losing to the Cardinals in 7 games in the World Series... He tried to come back and actually had a pretty good year in 1970, but his vision kept getting worse and he had to retire. He was perfect for Fenway Park. Right handed, immense power, and hit high flies that cleared The Monster with ease. I always thought how awesome he would have fit in on the 1975 Red Sox team I If he'd not gotten injured. Put him in a lineup that had Yaz, Pudge Fisk, Fred Lynn, and Jim Rice. He would have only been 30 years old... Seems like we always remember the careers cut short in football only. That's an unreal lineup for that yard. Ran across another all timer that doesn't get mentioned much. Most career seasons with at 150 games played and 25 home runs while playing CF. Of course Mays leads with 10....next though is Andruw Jones with 9. Griffey and Mantle had 3 each. Not saying Jones is better but baseball is a stats filled world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 A guy I fell in love with and always wondered "what if" was Mark Fidrych. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, rico said: A guy I fell in love with and always wondered "what if" was Mark Fidrych. Another one felled by the "dead arm" aka torn rotator cuff... And another one that, like Tony C passed way too early... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 What about Ray Fosse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, rico said: What about Ray Fosse? Yeah, I'm no Pete Rose fan, but the way the game was played back then, his AS game take-out of Fosse was a legit play...I'm not sure there was even that much controversy at the time... That play, at least to me, pretty much ended Fosse's rise as one of the great young players in the game and started the slow descent from competitive game to exhibition for the AS game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Yeah, I'm no Pete Rose fan, but the way the game was played back then, his AS game take-out of Fosse was a legit play...I'm not sure there was even that much controversy at the time... That play, at least to me, pretty much ended Fosse's rise as one of the great young players in the game and started the slow descent from competitive game to exhibition for the AS game... Love him or hate him there was no denying he played every play like it might be his last. Imagine the game or any game if even 50 percent of the athletes played every play that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: Love him or hate him there was no denying he played every play like it might be his last. Imagine the game or any game if even 50 percent of the athletes played every play that way. Easy to play that way when you got money riding on the game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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