btownqb Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 minute ago, rico said: At the end of the day one kid is gonna wear the jersey and go down in history. This year that be Furst. I have no problem with Furst winning. Kaufman is better, but no problem with him winning. Comparing Brown and Kaufman would be like comparing night and day though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Any of them who wanted to all coaches can vote it’s the first person on your indiana all star ballot for me basketball and I wanna clarify I’m shocked there was that big a gap I thought we could be looking at co mr basketball honestly but I’m Not sure that I follow your argument… If you were saying Caleb had the advantage of being the only good player and therefore stood out more Im not sure I agree with the logic respectfully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: You seen to be getting a little 😩 about Furst for some reason. It’s not a big deal either way. Nah. And no it isn't. We shall see how he does at the next level. Trey is better suited for that jump. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, btownqb said: Furst also played 1A, then 2A.... and goes to a private school. Trey avged more points and assists than Furst. Fursts schedule was everything silver creeks was , possibly more so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Stlboiler23 said: I was surprised Furst won it. Thought it’d be Kaufman. I thought it would be super tight either direction they had really similar career arcs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Leaving Kaufman out of it, because I obviously could not be objective. But, let's say Trey was out most of the year with an injury, I would have voted Brown Barnhizer Furst Nothing against Caleb, but he simply was not as important to his team, nor did he put up the numbers, as the other two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Just now, rico said: 1 minute ago, rico said: Nah. And no it isn't. We shall see how he does at the next level. Trey is better suited for that jump. I hope they both stink it up! 1 minute ago, rico said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, btownqb said: SC was so good they took FWBH to OT WITHOUT Kaufman lol I’m not sure that helps your mr basketball argument though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) Just now, kyhoosier29 said: Not sure what happened there, but I hope Furst and TK both stink it up! Edited April 16, 2021 by kyhoosier29 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Just now, IU/Butler/Notre Dame said: I’m not sure that helps your mr basketball argument though Just shows how bad SC would beat FWBH if Kaufman were healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: If you want to give it based on 'making a difference' to your team, then Luke Brown should have won it. It's interesting that both times SC and Blackhawk matched up the last two years, neither Furst nor Kaufman was the best player on their team. Zane Burke was the main man for Blackhawk in both. Kooper Jacobi was the main man for Silver Creek, though to be fair to Trey, he missed this season's game with an injury. I obviously wanted Trey to win, but find it perfectly understandable if any of the Top 4 would have got it. In many other years, each one would have been a clear front-runner. I agree 100% not just with the brown part ....regardless of who of the top 4 was named its impossible to argue they were undeserving ...this year was a personal preference vote maybe more so than any race I can remember since Jeffries and Randolph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, IU/Butler/Notre Dame said: Fursts schedule was everything silver creeks was , possibly more so In the tournament it was? In the 1A tournament Caleb Furst had as many difficult teams to beat that TK and SC did? not close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, btownqb said: I have no problem with Furst winning. Kaufman is better, but no problem with him winning. Comparing Brown and Kaufman would be like comparing night and day though. No you’re being less objective than the people who are crazier Blackford fans than me ( yes they exist ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: Leaving Kaufman out of it, because I obviously could not be objective. But, let's say Trey was out most of the year with an injury, I would have voted Brown Barnhizer Furst Nothing against Caleb, but he simply was not as important to his team, nor did he put up the numbers, as the other two. I agree with Brown...and the hell with the numbers. Furst was Oden 2.0 without the team support. But it is what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Leaving Kaufman out of it, because I obviously could not be objective. But, let's say Trey was out most of the year with an injury, I would have voted Brown Barnhizer Furst Nothing against Caleb, but he simply was not as important to his team, nor did he put up the numbers, as the other two. Same with me and brown and barnhizer would be a coin flip if I’m being fair barnhizer had a better senior year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, btownqb said: In the tournament it was? In the 1A tournament Caleb Furst had as many difficult teams to beat that TK and SC did? not close Then let's do away with the f$%Kin' classes and see how it would have played out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: Not sure what happened there, but I hope Furst and TK both stink it up! Not gonna happen but good thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, IU/Butler/Notre Dame said: No you’re being less objective than the people who are crazier Blackford fans than me ( yes they exist ) I don't understand. Did Brown win a state championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Just now, rico said: Then let's do away with the f$%Kin' classes and see how it would have played out. Not what I want at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, btownqb said: In the tournament it was? In the 1A tournament Caleb Furst had as many difficult teams to beat that TK and SC did? not close I’m talking this years full schedule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 I don't even understand where this has gone... again.. only comment I was making was TK doesn't need to feel fortunate to finish 2nd lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 minute ago, btownqb said: I don't even understand where this has gone... again.. only comment I was making was TK doesn't need to feel fortunate to finish 2nd lol My point was supposed to be that Brown was right on his tail for 2nd. Take it fwiw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Just now, btownqb said: I don't understand. Did Brown win a state championship? To describe the difference between the two the way you did lacks objectivity ...I’m a brown guy but coming in I had trey and Caleb neck and neck with brown third and barnhizer fourth ...thats evaluating not only from my personal thoughts but how I thought people would consider career accomplishments and vote ....if you were thinking it was clearly trey and brown didn’t belong in the convo yeah I think you’re not being objective .....you can’t argue both sides and say it’s so important to have state championships and that’s such an important factor but then also turn around and say TK stats suffered because he had two stud D1 teammates and could have had a third ....to me that means he didn’t have as much to do with the state championships and I don’t think arguing that way is fair to tk ....what I honestly think is that it shook out close to how it’s should with the exception that I felt brown barnhizer and Furst were fighting for more of the same votes than TK was so the takeaway I have is that voters put a ton of emphasis on the championship game performance of Furst and tk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 It is worth noting that in this season's tournament run, Kaufman had against two other D1 big men. LT Hatton and Blake Sisley. Did Furst face anyone of equal size and similar ability in either of his state tournament runs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, btownqb said: I don't even understand where this has gone... again.. only comment I was making was TK doesn't need to feel fortunate to finish 2nd lol Knowing Trey, he will use it for motivation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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