The Daily Hoosier Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 I always like to take a shot at this once the roster is set. The overarching thing that I expect to happen is for Indiana to go smaller. What do you guys think? https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-basketball-2020-21-lets-play-allocating-the-minutes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Daily Hoosier said: I always like to take a shot at this once the roster is set. The overarching thing that I expect to happen is for Indiana to go smaller. What do you guys think? https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-basketball-2020-21-lets-play-allocating-the-minutes/ I know it is not important but have they put out a roster with players numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 I would be surprised if Brunk's minutes are cut that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I would be surprised if Brunk's minutes are cut that much. I see him around 15-18 minutes and I think he will be with TJD and Trace for the 4 and 5 spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 Isn't it great (for once) to debate how to allocate minutes to 10-11 players that have proven they play "team ball" vs Me ball? So many scenarios to consider. ie: If Race can improve his offense, I could see him taking Joey's minutes completely. Race is faster, just as tough, and has a real nose for where the ball will be. Between all of the guards, I think Al is at risk of losing a bunch of minutes, if Jerome continues to progress like he did at the end of the season. Add in Rob, Armaan (the wild card IMO), Kristian, Jordan, and Anthony you could have a VERY tough bunch. "Hurryin' Hoosiers" could definitely make a comeback in style of play. My only concern is...can TJD play that many minutes at full throttle? I doubt it. If Race could really step up his offensive game, he could be TJD's scoring backup. I can also make an argument for a 4 guard line up, when TJD is taking a blow. After watching Leal and Galloway hit about 50 NBA three's a piece in a video, and if that can translate to game situations (jury is out), why the hell not play 4 guards? Talk about opening up some driving lanes for Rob & Kristian... Just an Old Fart's 2¢ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 Yeah I think Brunk and Race will be more like 15/19... And I'm kinda hoping Armaan gets closer to 20-22 by getting some of Durham's minutes...I think his ceiling is much higher on both ends of the floor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, IU Scott said: I see him around 15-18 minutes and I think he will be with TJD and Trace for the 4 and 5 spot. I'm confused? Isn't TJD also Trace? I think this virus has made us all loopy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowling Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 https://iuhoosiers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster Go Hoosiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Drroogh said: I'm confused? Isn't TJD also Trace? I think this virus has made us all loopy! maybe he means Race? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 10 hours ago, Drroogh said: I'm confused? Isn't TJD also Trace? I think this virus has made us all loopy! Race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 The 30 minutes club TJD, Lander, Rob, Al The 20 Minute Club Brunk, Race The 15 Minute Club Hunter and Armaan The rest are going to fight to get minutes and could easily take Armaan or Hunters minutes if those 2 don't step yup this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 7:44 PM, The Daily Hoosier said: I always like to take a shot at this once the roster is set. The overarching thing that I expect to happen is for Indiana to go smaller. What do you guys think? https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-basketball-2020-21-lets-play-allocating-the-minutes/ The 2 players I am most intrigued about are Hunter and Geronimo. Both remain wild cards. I have high hopes and expectations for Hunter. Geronimo, as an athletic defense-first guy who is developing his outside scoring is a legit frosh wild card. I think Aarman gets more minutes, the kid is solid and, now, experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Sark said: Nobody will be over 30. there should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Here is how I see the 200 minutes will be distributed and this is if we are totally healthy. TJD- 28 Race-24 Brunk-18 Hunter-22 Al- 26 RP- 26 Lander-24 Franklin-16 Geronimo-6 Galloway-5 Leal-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sark said: Assuming it’s a long season, you manage minutes to keep guys fresh. Over 30 is short term gain for long term pain. Better clue Tony Bennett and Jay Wright into that... Virginia had 3 over 30 and 3 more over 20 mpg in their championship year Villanova had 2 over 30 and 4 more over 27 in their last championship year I'd personally like to see Archie shorten the bench and have 2-3 over 30... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, IUFLA said: Better clue Tony Bennett and Jay Wright into that... Virginia had 3 over 30 and 3 more over 20 mpg in their championship year Villanova had 2 over 30 and 4 more over 27 in their last championship year I'd personally like to see Archie shorten the bench and have 2-3 over 30... I guarantee you that under RMK most of the starters played well over 30mpg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Some people including me think players should be able to play bigger minutes today but they seem to try limit minutes. To me how the game is played today that players should play bigger minutes than they use to but it seems like they want to play to many players today. I looked back at our last 3 championship teams and see how many minutes the starters played. Actually 19766 surprised me when I saw Buckner played the least minutes of the starters. Also with that team and how many blowouts they had that probably influenced mpg. 1976 May-33 Abernathy-32 Benson-34 Wilkinson-28 Buckner-24 1981 Thomas-35 Wittman-34 Kitchell-22 Came off the bench for 7 games Turner-21 His would be more but was benched in the middle of the season Tolbert-34 1987 Alford-37 Smart-26 Calloway-30 Thomas-30 Garrett-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 I kept going through the season and got to 78-79 and there were 4 guys over 30 mpg Woodson-36 Tolbert-33 Carter-33 Wittman-37 My question is why can't players play this kind of minutes today. Supposedly kids are in way better shape in in way better physical condition yet they have a hard time playing 25+ minutes. On offense where a lot of teams have 3 guys standing in the corner and on the wing with the other two doing a pick and roll it is easier defensively. You are not moving as much and going off screen after screen. Offensive players you are standing around more and not moving and coming off screens. To me the pace of play is way slower today where people play more half court basketball and run the 30 second clock down on a lot of possessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Saw 91-92 was the only year that there were not a guy over 30+ minutes but they have 4 guys over 27 minutes. For some reason after 95 sports reference stopped having MPG as a catagory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Sark said: Assuming it’s a long season, you manage minutes to keep guys fresh. Over 30 is short term gain for long term pain. agree to disagree. We can leave it at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, Sark said: No problem. The game has changed and the shot clock dictates a faster pace. So has conditioning, year round play, nutrition , and sports medicine knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sark said: Archie has never coached that way, though, and he’s not at a level of those guys. He’s not lengthening minutes. I watched Crean burn out several good teams by not spreading minutes out more. Why repeat those fiascos? His last two Dayton teams had 2 guys over 30 in 2017, and 3 over 30 in 16... Life lesson #1 When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, Sark said: All true, but Miller spreads minutes and doesn’t like to burn guys out. We will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sark said: No doubt. Miller wants to keep guys fresh for a long season, and it makes tons of sense. If minutes start creeping up for some guys it will be because he has no other choice. But he’ll pay a price in a league as competitive as the Big 10, which is why I think he spreads it out the way he does. disagree. There is no reason kids can't play 27-30 minutes a game as the starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Sark said: No reason you can’t play all five starters 40 minutes. You’ll pay a price for it, but it can be done. Managing minutes is about keeping guys fresh over the course of a long season, and that’s how Miller wants to do it. Crean sucked at it, but his issue went beyond game minutes. Knight was good, even as he rode the best guys hard. But he limited practices a great deal as the season progressed. There is a huge difference in zero rest and getting 25% of the game off. Now i know why other don't want to engage with you in discussion. Even when someone provided facts about 2 of the most recent teams having kids playing close to or over 30 minutes a game, you still stick to your point regardless. With that said, you win. I am tired of running into this wall. Please respond, get your last word/post and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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