BruceDouglas Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, IUFLA said: Link Link Yeah, I've seen those. Look at the date - March 2nd. A little late in the process to be making such an announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, BruceDouglas said: Yeah, I've seen those. Look at the date - March 2nd. A little late in the process to be making such an announcement. It was determined BEFORE the season according to the first article...are you saying they just made it up? The 2nd and 3rd articles simply affirmed that stance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, IUFLA said: It was determined BEFORE the season according to the first article...are you saying they just made it up? The 2nd and 3rd articles simply affirmed that stance... I'm saying it's not a great source. And you'd think it would be easy to find something directly from the conference, but I've never seen it. Nothing in the listing of official news releases. Even the announcements of rescheduled games, where it would seem to make sense to note this...nada.Ā Anyway, it's pretty clear which side you come down on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, BruceDouglas said: I'm saying it's not a great source. And you'd think it would be easy to find something directly from the conference, but I've never seen it. Nothing in the listing of official news releases. Even the announcements of rescheduled games, where it would seem to make sense to note this...nada.Ā Anyway, it's pretty clear which side you come down on. I have no love for Michigan (and even less for Illinois) but if the ruling was before the season, and your AD agreed to it, it's kinda crystal clear which side everybody should come downĀ on, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I have no love for Michigan (and even less for Illinois) but if the ruling was before the season, and your AD agreed to it, it's kinda crystal clear which side everybody should come downĀ on, isn't it? Yeah, if the rule was in place and everyone knew about it, then all this discussion now is really quite surprising. But I think the exacerbating factor is - if everyone "agreed" to that, they probably also agreed that programs would be making best efforts to reschedule missed games. Or at least the conference would try to ensure as many games were rescheduled as possible. That clearly didn't happen. And once again, silence as to how/why that happened. We all know "why" though, didn't want a highly seeded, national title contender to play a bunch of games. Oh, unless it's Illinois I guess? If that's the case, then just say so. But nope....crickets. And that's why you're not seeing much mention by the Big Ten as to how Michigan won the conference. All they've said is, "Michigan clinched first place". Nothing at all about using winning %. Because they don't want to go down that path. Leave that door closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BruceDouglas said: Yeah, if the rule was in place and everyone knew about it, then all this discussion now is really quite surprising. Not to me...I lived around Illinois fans two different times in 2 different parts of the state (Southwest and Chicagoland) and the after the fact griping is exactly what I expect.Ā And I do needle the ones I still keep in contact with...One is a relative that's my money guy...I should probably quit that one...he's been good to me but you never know...a bad investment here and thereĀ Edited March 8, 2021 by IUFLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireBump Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, BruceDouglas said: Yeah, if the rule was in place and everyone knew about it, then all this discussion now is really quite surprising. But I think the exacerbating factor is - if everyone "agreed" to that, they probably also agreed that programs would be making best efforts to reschedule missed games. Or at least the conference would try to ensure as many games were rescheduled as possible. That clearly didn't happen. And once again, silence as to how/why that happened. We all know "why" though, didn't want a highly seeded, national title contender to play a bunch of games. Oh, unless it's Illinois I guess? If that's the case, then just say so. But nope....crickets. And that's why you're not seeing much mention by the Big Ten as to how Michigan won the conference. All they've said is, "Michigan clinched first place". Nothing at all about using winning %. Because they don't want to go down that path. Leave that door closed. If it was OSU they would have changed the rules. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Not to me...I lived around Illinois fans two different times in 2 different parts of the state (Southwest and Chicagoland) and the after the fact griping is exactly what I expect.Ā And I do needle the ones I still keep in contact with...One is a relative that's my money guy...I should probably quit that one...he's been good to me but you never know...a bad investment here and thereĀ It's not just Illini fans though, other fan bases and media talking about it. Heck, there's an Iowa fan over on the Rivals board who may be madder than any Illini. And those fans hate us as much as you guys.Ā š¤£ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, BruceDouglas said: Yeah, if the rule was in place and everyone knew about it, then all this discussion now is really quite surprising. But I think the exacerbating factor is - if everyone "agreed" to that, they probably also agreed that programs would be making best efforts to reschedule missed games. Or at least the conference would try to ensure as many games were rescheduled as possible. That clearly didn't happen. And once again, silence as to how/why that happened. We all know "why" though, didn't want a highly seeded, national title contender to play a bunch of games. Oh, unless it's Illinois I guess? If that's the case, then just say so. But nope....crickets. And that's why you're not seeing much mention by the Big Ten as to how Michigan won the conference. All they've said is, "Michigan clinched first place". Nothing at all about using winning %. Because they don't want to go down that path. Leave that door closed. The 3 games they didn't make up are PSU, IU, and Northwestern. Do you think they lose any of those games? The only thing we're seeing now is that it was agreed upon before the season. You seem to think that wasn't the case. If it wasn't, why wouldn't your AD be saying so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, BruceDouglas said: It's not just Illini fans though, other fan bases and media talking about it. Heck, there's an Iowa fan over on the Rivals board who may be madder than any Illini. And those fans hate us as much as you guys.Ā š¤£ Like I said, hang a banner...You have the room... Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaloisGroupe Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: The 3 games they didn't make up are PSU, IU, and Northwestern. Do you think they lose any of those games? The only thing we're seeing now is that it was agreed upon before the season. You seem to think that wasn't the case. If it wasn't, why wouldn't your AD be saying so? Illinois fans are assuming the we would have taken them down...Ā If they were rescheduling "strategically", don't you think they would have found a way to reschedule the NW, IU, orĀ PSU game instead of an MSU game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, go_iu_bb said: The 3 games they didn't make up are PSU, IU, and Northwestern. Do you think they lose any of those games? The only thing we're seeing now is that it was agreed upon before the season. You seem to think that wasn't the case. If it wasn't, why wouldn't your AD be saying so? Well, they lost to the 13th place team by 18 points. They just lost to the 9th place team. So could they lose 1 game out of 3 to #10, #11, #12? Yes. Probabilities would be around 50/50 I'd guess. The other thing is they only rescheduled home games. Illinois has won more road games than Michigan has played. Our AD may be saying plenty but he's a lawyer and smart enough to do those things out of the public eye. Plus Brad has probably said enough about it as is. And as I said above, if it was agreed upon, it was also likely understood that teams would try to ensure as many games get rescheduled as possible. That didn't happen. Edited March 8, 2021 by BruceDouglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaloisGroupe Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, BruceDouglas said: Well, they lost to the 13th place team by 18 points. They just lost to the 9th place team. So could they lose 1 game out of 3 to #10, #11, #12? Yes. Probabilities would be around 50/50 I'd guess. The other thing is they only rescheduled home games. Illinois has won more road games than Michigan has played. Our AD may be saying plenty but he's a lawyer and smart enough to do those things out of the public eye. Plus Brad has probably said enough about it as is. Maybe, but maybe they also do not lose to MSU if they were playing for the regular season title.Ā From a strategic point of view, that game was borderline meaningless with the rules as they had already clinched firstĀ place. There is not as much motivation to try and be the top #1 seed because all the games are played in Indiana anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) Tried to format this as best I could, but difficult on a phone...you get the idea though... 2020-21 Ā All-Big Ā Ten Menās Basketball Team As selected by Big Ā Ten coaches FIRSTĀ TEAM Ā Kofi Cockburn, Illinois Ā AYO Ā DOSUNMU, Ā ILLINOIS LUKA GARZA, Ā IOWA Ā E.J. Ā Liddell, Ohio State Ā Trevion Williams, Ā Purdue SECOND TEAM Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana Joe Wieskamp, Iowa Hunter Dickinson, Ā Michigan Isaiah Livers, Michigan Ā Franz Wagner, Ā Michigan THIRD TEAM Marcus Carr, Ā Minnesota Aaron Henry, Ā Michigan State Duane Washington Jr., Ā Ohio State Ron Harper Jr., Ā Rutgers DāMitrik Trice, Ā Wisconsin HONORABLE MENTION Trent Frazier, Ā Illinois Jordan Bohannon, Iowa Eric Ayala, Ā Maryland Aaron Wiggins, Maryland Geo Baker, Ā Rutgers ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM Andre Curbelo, Illinois Keegan Murray, Ā Iowa Hunter Dickinson, Ā Michigan Zach Edey, Ā Purdue Jaden Ivey, Ā Purdue ALL-DEFENSIVE Ā TEAM Trent Frazier, Ā Illinois Darryl Morsell, Maryland Aaron Henry, Ā Michigan State Jamari Wheeler, Penn State Myles Johnson, Rutgers PLAYER OF Ā THE Ā YEAR: Luka Garza, Iowa DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF Ā THE YEAR: Darryl Morsell, Maryland FRESHMAN OF THE Ā YEAR: Hunter Dickinson, Ā Michigan SIXTH Ā MAN OF Ā THE Ā YEAR: Andre Curbelo, Illinois COACH OF Ā THE Ā YEAR: Juwan Howard, Michigan UNANIMOUS SELECTIONS IN Ā ALL Ā CAPS 2020-21 Big Ā Ten Sportsmanship Ā Award Honorees Trent Frazier, Ā Illinois; Ā Aljami Durham, Indiana; CJ Fredrick, Iowa; Darryl Morsell, Maryland; Ā Austin Davis, Michigan; Joshua Langford, Ā Michigan Ā State; Ā Gabe Kalscheur, Ā Minnesota; Ā ThorirĀ Thorbjarnarson, Ā Nebraska; Ryan Greer, Northwestern; KyleĀ Young, Ohio State; Ā John Harrar, Ā Penn State; Ā Sasha Stefanovic, Purdue; Paul Mulcahy, Ā Rutgers; Carter Higginbottom, Ā Wisconsin. 2020-21 Ā All-Big Ā Ten Menās Basketball Team As selected by Media Voting Ā Panel FIRSTĀ TEAM Kofi Cockburn, Illinois AYOĀ DOSUNMU, Ā ILLINOIS Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana LUKA GARZA, Ā IOWA Hunter Dickinson, Ā Michigan SECOND TEAM Joe Wieskamp, Iowa Isaiah Livers, Michigan Marcus Carr, Ā Minnesota E.J. Ā Liddell, Ohio State Trevion Williams, Ā Purdue THIRD TEAM Franz Wagner, Ā Michigan Aaron Henry, Ā Michigan State Duane Washington Jr., Ā Ohio State Ron Harper Jr., Ā Rutgers DāMitrik Trice, Ā Wisconsin HONORABLE MENTION Trent Frazier, Ā Illinois Jordan Bohannon, Iowa CJ Fredrick, Iowa Eric Ayala, Ā Maryland Darryl Morsell, Maryland Aaron Wiggins, Maryland Teddy Allen, Ā Nebraska John Harrar, Ā Penn State Myreon Jones, Penn State Myles Johnson, Rutgers Jacob Young, Ā Rutgers PLAYER OF Ā THE Ā YEAR: Luka Garza, Iowa FRESHMAN OF THE Ā YEAR: Hunter Dickinson, Ā Michigan COACH OF Ā THE Ā YEAR: Juwan Howard, Michigan Unanimous Ā selections IN Ā ALL Ā CAPS Edited March 10, 2021 by IUFLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 In the big east tournament at the half Georgetown is ahead of MarquetteĀ 32-14.Ā I would think this might be the end for Wojo time at Marquette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: In the big east tournament at the half Georgetown is ahead of MarquetteĀ 32-14.Ā I would think this might be the end for Wojo time at Marquette. So DJ Carton and his family might have to look for another school again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: So DJ Carton and his family might have to look for another school again? I guess i put this in the wrong forum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, IU Scott said: I guess i put this in the wrong forum Maybe not? He could end up at a Big 10 school again. You never know with that one.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, Seeking6 said: Maybe not? He could end up at a Big 10 school again. You never know with that one.Ā Well Garcia might be looking as well and he chose one dumpster fire over another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 All right, boys...who we got tonight? I'm going Northwestern and Penn State... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, IUFLA said: All right, boys...who we got tonight? I'm going Northwestern and Penn State... Those are my 2 choices. Minny has bagged it and Penn St is just better.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, IUFLA said: All right, boys...who we got tonight? I'm going Northwestern and Penn State... Both Kalscheur and Robbins our for Gophs tonight. Gonna be tough for them to overcomeĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Both Kalscheur and Robbins our for Gophs tonight. Gonna be tough for them to overcomeĀ Robbins in particular. Northwestern has that great size. They'll miss Kalscheur's experience for sure, but last time I looked, he was under 25% from 3.Ā Tre Williams and Mashburn Jr have looked great at times, but their inexperience shows too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: Robbins in particular. Northwestern has that great size. They'll miss Kalscheur's experience for sure, but last time I looked, he was under 25% from 3.Ā Tre Williams and Mashburn Jr have looked great at times, but their inexperience shows too... Kalscheur is their best defender. Not big enough to check Koop, but he could have guarded Audige and done a good jobĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 I guess Carr could keep Minny in it...I don't think Boo Buie is a particularly good defender, and he's the only one quick enough to stay with Carr... Like to see a couple of good games tonight...I picked PSU, but I think the Huskers have a puncher's chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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