IUFLA Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 hours ago, IowaHoosierFan said: Iowa is legit good. If they can stay out of the late season collapse, they are final 4 good Their offense is really good...their defense is substandard though...They run into a good defensive team, and they'll be vulnerable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Their offense is really good...their defense is substandard though...They run into a good defensive team, and they'll be vulnerable... Let's not forget to factor in their coach. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 hours ago, rico said: It just ain't our fan base. I woke up this morning to find my cousin calling for Painter's head on FB. LOL I finally watched the game...yeah not his finest moment. Just a total collapse. Side not the Cross kid we missed on that went to Miami looked good. 😒 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loviubb Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, IUFLA said: Their offense is really good...their defense is substandard though...They run into a good defensive team, and they'll be vulnerable... Their attack mode will offset some of their weakness on defense. The Crean years showed that. Iowa and the ILLNI both showed they are a threat to win the NCCA CHAMP. Not even mentioning MSU. These seem like the late 80"s THE BIG 10 IS THAT GOOD AND DEEP! IU and i HATE TO SAY IT ARE NOT THERE YET! BUT getting in my opinion close. 1 hour ago, dgambill said: I finally watched the game...yeah not his finest moment. Just a total collapse. Side not the Cross kid we missed on that went to Miami looked good. 😒 Edited December 9, 2020 by loviubb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 Maryland losing big to Clemson...44-21 at 15:00 of second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 I cannot articulate how much I want Nebrasketball to beat GT tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said: I cannot articulate how much I want Nebrasketball to beat GT tonight. Give a shot! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornHoosier Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 15 hours ago, Seeking6 said: So we go 2-1 vs those three teams you mentioned last year with the 1 loss coming on 3 bad calls in last 30 seconds vs Illinois, return our entire core and now you think 30 point losses this year? Those other teams not named IU are # 3, 4 & 6 in the Nation but after tonight 30pt losses was a complete exaggeration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Creighton certainly doesn't look anything like the #8 team in the country. Losing by 2 at home to Nebraska late in the 1st half... Hoiberg is doing a good job with the Huskers. They run a nice offense and share the ball...hitting shots and defense are their issues... Edited December 12, 2020 by IUFLA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, IUFLA said: Creighton certainly doesn't look anything like the #8 team in the country. Losing by 2 at home to Nebraska. Hoiberg is doing a good job with the Huskers. They run a nice offense and share the ball...hitting shots and defense are their issues... Ii was thinking the same thing about Creighton. I thought if this talent level is ranked 8th in the country that is not a good sign. I went and looked at the roster of the #8 team in 1991 and it was Arizona. That Arizona team had 4 future NBA players and this Creighton break probably has no NBA talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Creighton is on fire in the second half and they are fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Creighton also has Alex O'Connell who is not playing due to injury right now. wish he would have transferred to IU to give us a shooter. guess it wouldn't help if he is injured though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: Creighton also has Alex O'Connell who is not playing due to injury right now. wish he would have transferred to IU to give us a shooter. guess it wouldn't help if he is injured though. If he would have went to IU, he would have forgot how to shoot. Sigh 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, rico said: If he would have went to IU, he would have forgot how to shoot. Sigh Having similar discussion in other threads but my concern, so far, is not with the players but with CAM as to how and to what extent he de-emphasizes outside shooting. I generally believe in CAM and see the team starting to show his toughness / grit, but I do not like the way he leaves Hunter in the bench and focuses more on the idea of limiting TO’s to create offense than shooting. I don’t see guys forgetting how to shoot, I see shooting not getting the kind of emphasis I think it should 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Having similar discussion in other threads but my concern, so far, is not with the players but with CAM as to how and to what extent he de-emphasizes outside shooting. I generally believe in CAM and see the team starting to show his toughness / grit, but I do not like the way he leaves Hunter in the bench and focuses more on the idea of limiting TO’s to create offense than shooting. I don’t see guys forgetting how to shoot, I see shooting not getting the kind of emphasis I think it should I'd also ask how does Archie handle the team from an offensive perspective? I firmly believe that schematically IU's offense is good. IU gets good, open shots under Archie. We've just struggled to make them for his time here. So, how is the team handled offensively from a coaching perspective when they miss shots? There's clearly a confidence issue with the team over the last 4 years in terms of shooting. Shooters need good form, mechanics, all of that stuff, but above everything shooters need confidence, and IU players have not seemed confident since Archie got here. Does he yell and scream at them when they miss? Has he created culture that focuses on getting to the basket so much that there is an aura of "if you take a 3, you better make it or else?" I don't know the answers to those questions, nobody on this board does. But from my experience those things matter more than any set, system, or schematic offense. I played the wing in college and I played for a coach that would lose his mind every time you missed. You could miss a clean, open 3 and running back down court you could hear him screaming at you. We had good shooters, but often weren't a great shooting team because of the atmosphere/culture our coach had created around shooting. I'm not saying Archie is doing that. I think part of it is recruiting. Archie hasn't really recruited pure shooters. He's recruited guys that can shoot, but not shooters. He's never brought in a JBJ, Hulls, Roth, Zeisloft, etc., so it could be more that. But I think it's valid to question the atmosphere/culture Archie has instilled offensively, because again schematically the offense is perfectly fine. Edited December 12, 2020 by BGleas 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, BGleas said: I'd also ask how does Archie handle the team from an offensive perspective? I firmly believe that schematically IU's offense is good. IU gets good, open shots under Archie. We've just struggled to make them for his time here. So, how is the team handled offensively from a coaching perspective when they miss shots? There's clearly a confidence issue with the team over the last 4 years in terms of shooting. Shooters need good form, mechanics, all of that stuff, but above everything shooters need confidence, and IU players have not seemed confident since Archie got here. Does he yell and scream at them when they miss? Has he created culture that focuses on getting to the basket so much that there is an aura of "if you take a 3, you better make it or else?" I don't know the answers to those questions, nobody on this board does. But from my experience those things matter more than any set, system, or schematic offense. I played the wing in college and I played for a coach that would lose his mind every time you missed. You could miss a clean, open 3 and running back down court you could hear him screaming at you. We had good shooters, but often weren't a great shooting team because of the atmosphere/culture our coach had created around shooting. I'm not saying Archie is doing that. I think part of it is recruiting. Archie hasn't really recruited pure shooters. He's recruited guys that can shoot, but not shooters. He's never brought in a JBJ, Hulls, Roth, Zeisloft, etc., so it could be more that. But I think it's valid to question the atmosphere/culture Archie has instilled offensively, because again schematically the offense is perfectly fine. Good points Gleas - and a coach’s persona can definitely affect how and when a team shoots. That was part of RMK’s later tenure teams’ downfall for example. The ball movement became swing it around the perimeter until the end of shot clock because guys were scared to shoot because Knight would scream and then yank them when they missed. CAM’s recruiting so far is, IMO, more focused on D and toughness than shooting — but Leal is an example of recruiting shooting. His scouting was high level shooter with good range who will eventually start. He is a very good shooter. But I do think CAM’s focus on D and ball handling first is why you see, for example, Hunter on the bench — when we need shooting on the floor, and this is bothering me. We lost the last game for lack of shooting. We had shooting but CAM left Galloway out there and Hunter on the bench. Bad decision / style imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 IL down 49-41 at half to MO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: IL down 49-41 at half to MO Defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Purdue leads Indiana St by 5 with 6 min to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 IL & MO are a combined 6-27 from three, each at 22% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Watching Illinois vs Missouri game. Ayo Dosunmu is a real deal and is unstoppable. I'm already worried how our team is going to deal with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, addictedtoIU said: Watching Illinois vs Missouri game. Ayo Dosunmu is a real deal and is unstoppable. I'm already worried how our team is going to deal with him. Same way as we did last year. 3 bad calls in 30 seconds let the Illini win.....otherwise it's 8 of 9 or whatever it is. Problem with Ayo besides his high dribble and low release on his shot....not much else there. But Missouri is Missouri. I'd expect a choke. Edited December 13, 2020 by Seeking6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Rob plays good defense against opposing PGs and I’d rather have trayce than kofi. I like our chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidehoosier Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Ayo with an ugly off balance 3 pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Illinois got screwed on that flagrant call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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