rico Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, madmax said: I think having no NCAA tournament last year really hurts the perception of Archie. As I’ve stated, I was thrilled with the hire and thought he was the perfect remedy to the defensive issues that we had. He’s also much more of a no nonsense/no bs type guy then crean was. I think it’s obviously fair to say that results so far have been disappointing. I’m hopeful we can still have a good season this year and give us something to build from. I think a lot of us, myself included, were incredibly disappointed with the Northwestern loss. Let’s just hope it wasn’t a sign of things to comeLet’s just hope it wasn’t a sign of things to come. Yeah, that tournament cancellation hurt. Hell, we could have been a SS team last year and all this CAM stuff would be moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 15 hours ago, IU Scott said: Sounds like it but you said Archie hadn't assembled his team with enough size but it is not his fault Brunk was injured. To me there are a few schools who seems like they always get a lot of big guys OU and FSU You plan and should expect injuries though. CAM has been hit every year with them. Yet he left 2 open scholarships to start the year. We don't need a 5 star at the end of the bench either. Is he afraid to gamble on a 3 star project? IDK but whatever he's doing now doesn't seem to be working. We just lost to a team that was 8-23 last year for goodness sakes. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 A big man that averages 15 and 8 at a mid major won't average that in the Big Ten, but he can provide 12-15 solid minutes off the bench. Archie has invested too much in wings and not enough at the 4/5 position. Yeah, Brunk's injury was unexpected, but it does not take a mathematician to see that with only 3 true bigs, if one of them is hurt, you're going to be a pickle. We should have added another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, 5fouls said: A big man that averages 15 and 8 at a mid major won't average that in the Big Ten, but he can provide 12-15 solid minutes off the bench. Archie has invested too much in wings and not enough at the 4/5 position. Yeah, Brunk's injury was unexpected, but it does not take a mathematician to see that with only 3 true bigs, if one of them is hurt, you're going to be a pickle. We should have added another. It doesn't even have to be injury. With just 3 bits, foul trouble to one in a game can really hurt the team and foul trouble to 2 can be disastrous. 3 players for 2 positions just isn't enough. 3 bigs might work at Dayton but not in the B1G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 At least we can beat Michigan State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 17 hours ago, IU Scott said: Then why does most of the people think that Fife will be the one to replace Izzo if he is not the next one in line He could be. He is the youngest of the assistant coaches and I don’t know that the others want to be a head coach. That said Fife is technically the third assistant so basically in Mike Roberts position on the IU staff. It doesn’t make him any less of a head coaching candidate it’s just the role he’s in at this time. Titles don’t always tell the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: At least we can beat Michigan State What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: What makes you say that? We have beaten them the last 3 times we have played them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: We have beaten them the last 3 times we have played them. Hadn’t we beaten NW 3 the last three times we played them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: We have beaten them the last 3 times we have played them. I honestly do not think we will beat them this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I honestly do not think we will beat them this season. I don't either but they haven't looked that great so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 MSU has seen better days, they will be a good team later on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern IN Hoosier Posted December 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 Izzo needs fired. He obviously can’t recruit or coach. He’s lost 2 straight. That’s unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Southern IN Hoosier said: Izzo needs fired. He obviously can’t recruit or coach. He’s lost 2 straight. That’s unacceptable. Sarcasm fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Southern IN Hoosier said: Izzo needs fired. He obviously can’t recruit or coach. He’s lost 2 straight. That’s unacceptable. 1 minute ago, go_iu_bb said: Sarcasm fail. Oh, I don't know...considering the jerky knees on this forum, I thought it was pretty funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, Southern IN Hoosier said: Izzo needs fired. He obviously can’t recruit or coach. He’s lost 2 straight. That’s unacceptable. Archie Miller hasn’t earned the right to use Tom Izzo as a basis for anything in his career. You know that. Think more along the lines of John Groce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 1 hour ago, BobSaccamanno said: Archie Miller hasn’t earned the right to use Tom Izzo as a basis for anything in his career. You know that. Think more along the lines of John Groce. To be fair, John Groce won 23 games, 20, 19, 15, and then 18 games. Essentially his trajectory was negative throughout his time at Illinois. Archie’s has at least far been the exact opposite. Archie may not be the next Izzo, but it’s silly to mention his name in the same sentence as Groce’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierHoops Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 2 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said: Archie Miller hasn’t earned the right to use Tom Izzo as a basis for anything in his career. You know that. Think more along the lines of John Groce. Archie Miller didn't "use Tom Izzo as a basis for anything in his career", some anonymous internet poster did. You just used it as a chance to take a shot at the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted December 25, 2020 Report Share Posted December 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, HoosierHoops said: Archie Miller didn't "use Tom Izzo as a basis for anything in his career", some anonymous internet poster did. You just used it as a chance to take a shot at the coach. Don’t be so sensitive. You don’t know me or my thoughts. Stating the obvious is not taking a shot. Archie himself would agree with what I said and I doubt he’d even have a problem with it since it’s so evident. I am rooting for Archie to do well. I don’t think any posters here are rooting for him to fail. We have a range of posters from outright sycophants who twist reality on one end to people who think everything about him is inept on the other end. That’s the nature of fans and discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftheref Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 3 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said: Archie Miller hasn’t earned the right to use Tom Izzo as a basis for anything in his career. You know that. Think more along the lines of John Groce. Bob, I agree with you 100%. Archie might be a good coach but so far at Indiana he has nothing to show for it. Performance and consistency in the court are the true measuring sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 23 hours ago, IU Scott said: I kept warning people the last time people were wanting a change because be careful what you wish for. Didn't say we wouldn't get a good coach but we will not get an established HC of a major program. The Bucknuts seem to be doing pretty well..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: The Bucknuts seem to be doing pretty well..... He came from Butler which isn't a major program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 I know its never happened in the past but I guess its possible a mid major coach moving up to a power5 conference school might not be a good fit and even though he has a good resume and seems to be a good coach, just isn't successful. With the lack of metrics and measurable examples of a mid major coach being very successful at one level but failing to live up to that standard at the next level, we're just going to have to assume this might be an anomaly and hold on for a few more year. I just wish there were examples to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: I know its never happened in the past but I guess its possible a mid major coach moving up to a power5 conference school might not be a good fit and even though he has a good resume and seems to be a good coach, just isn't successful. With the lack of metrics and measurable examples of a mid major coach being very successful at one level but failing to live up to that standard at the next level, we're just going to have to assume this might be an anomaly and hold on for a few more year. I just wish there were examples to look at. The thing is that most coaches start at a lower level and move up..I know Roy Williams went from being an assistant at UNC to the HC at KU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 6:26 PM, IUFLA said: You said, and I quote "we're not recruiting at a high level anymore" and you're using ONE YEAR (out of 4) to justify that statement? SMH... You are happy with recruiting? Do you think this team can win the Big Ten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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