Hoosierhoopster Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 35 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Cody was three inches taller, a better athlete, and a better defender. Cody would average 30 ppg under Archie IMO. I don’t know about better athlete, I guess depends how you measure that, and Crean’s system emphasized offense and Cody, whereas CAM’s system, though definitely emphasizing TJD, is more limited offensively and the team’s generally lower scoring reflects that. Interesting point and maybe—hard for me to gauge. Agree Cody Was a better defender. But I think part of it is effort, Cody was full bore whereas TJD has been taking plays off at least recently. I think TJD’s ceiling is still up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: I don’t know about better athlete, I guess depends how you measure that, and Crean’s system emphasized offense and Cody, whereas CAM’s system, though definitely emphasizing TJD, is more limited offensively and the team’s generally lower scoring reflects that. Interesting point and maybe—hard for me to gauge. Agree Cody Was a better defender. But I think part of it is effort, Cody was full bore whereas TJD has been taking plays off at least recently. I think TJD’s ceiling is still up there I guess I'd be curious to know how you'd measure athelticism that wouldn't put Cody easily over TJD? He had the highest standing jump of anyone at the combine and best for a big in over a decade. I think we would all agree Cody is faster. Either way, I don't think the two are relatively close at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I guess I'd be curious to know how you'd measure athelticism that wouldn't put Cody easily over TJD? He had the highest standing jump of anyone at the combine and best for a big in over a decade. I think we would all agree Cody is faster. Either way, I don't think the two are relatively close at this point. just my humble opinion, but i'd say Cody is literally better at every aspect. posting, finishing, bball IQ, even better range than TJD. plus Cody is 7'0'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, NCHoosier32 said: just my humble opinion, but i'd say Cody is literally better at every aspect. posting, finishing, bball IQ, even better range than TJD. plus Cody is 7'0'' I agree. There's a reason Cody was a POTY caliber player, top 5 pick, and will play over a decade on the NBA most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, NCHoosier32 said: just my humble opinion, but i'd say Cody is literally better at every aspect. posting, finishing, bball IQ, even better range than TJD. plus Cody is 7'0'' Cody's motor ran at 100% at all time. He would go top 10 in any draft. One thing the NBA love is wing span, and TJD has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckraker Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: Agree on the hands. For example, when Tyra Buss was on the women's team, I couldn't tell you if she even HAD hands. She'd have been able to tell that I had hands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I guess I'd be curious to know how you'd measure athelticism that wouldn't put Cody easily over TJD? He had the highest standing jump of anyone at the combine and best for a big in over a decade. I think we would all agree Cody is faster. Either way, I don't think the two are relatively close at this point. I agree. Its not an accident that one guy was a lock lottery pick and the other is at best a projected 2nd round pick. Here's an interesting question, list IU bigs in order over the last decade... Zeller Bryant TJD Vonleh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, BGleas said: I remember that quote and I believe he qualified it with 'during the season.' I'm not 100% sure, but pretty sure Archie was saying that you can't really mess with a players form during the season, that's off season stuff. During the season you just have to work on reps and their confidence. Appreciate you clarifying. Context is important. It seems sometimes that there's too much effort to discredit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, KoB2011 said: I guess I'd be curious to know how you'd measure athleticism that wouldn't put Cody easily over TJD? He had the highest standing jump of anyone at the combine and best for a big in over a decade. I think we would all agree Cody is faster. Either way, I don't think the two are relatively close at this point. I don't remember the specifics like you have here but I do remember that very very few bigs ran the court as well as CZ...that was a real strength of his even back in high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, BGleas said: I agree. Its not an accident that one guy was a lock lottery pick and the other is at best a projected 2nd round pick. Here's an interesting question, list IU bigs in order over the last decade... Zeller Bryant TJD Vonleh Are we talking about who was the best in their time at IU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Are we talking about who was the best in their time at IU? I couldn't decide, so left it open-ended. Maybe two lists, best at IU and best overall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 So catching up on this debate. All I have to add is I played with Luke Zeller in school and summer ball with Tyler and Cody. Cody was a few years younger and a few inches shorter at the time but schooled everyone. Cody was by far the best of the 3. Compared to TJD, I think Davis is a little stronger and has a better haircut, but Cody was an all around better player at this point. TJD develops a jumpshot and free throws. Now we're talkin. That said, TJD is my favorite player in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, KoB2011 said: I agree. There's a reason Cody was a POTY caliber player, top 5 pick, and will play over a decade on the NBA most likely. Cody was special for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 hours ago, IU Scott said: I know I have heard guys like Barkley and some of the older guys saying that they actually enjoyed playing college basketball over the NBA. I think that while reminiscing over a cocktail many guys like Barkley would say they enjoyed playing college basketball more than the NBA but if you asked them if they would really trade their last year for xxxxmillions (and risk injury) they would chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Cody was three inches taller, a better athlete, and a better defender. Cody would average 30 ppg under Archie IMO. Crean had a ton of shortcomings but Cody, in spite of Creans use of Cody often being slammed, was one of the highest scoring big men in the BT while being an underclassmen on a team with multiple shooters that “took” points from him. I’ll assume you were being sarcastic but there is NO WAY Archie’s offense gets him 30 a game with CWat, Hulls, Sheehey, Victor, Yogi etc also on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, IU878176 said: Crean had a ton of shortcomings but Cody, in spite of Creans use of Cody often being slammed, was one of the highest scoring big men in the BT while being an underclassmen on a team with multiple shooters that “took” points from him. I’ll assume you were being sarcastic but there is NO WAY Archie’s offense gets him 30 a game with CWat, Hulls, Sheehey, Victor, Yogi etc also on the team. If you trade Zeller for TJD and insert Cody into this offense being forced fed the ball all game. Pretty sure that's what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 hours ago, NotIThatLives said: Cody's motor ran at 100% at all time. He would go top 10 in any draft. One thing the NBA love is wing span, and TJD has it. Yep, relatively speaking Cody has “alligator arms”, while TJD has a much better wingspan, but good things happen with effort and a non-stop motor. Hopefully that mind-set and a tough minded culture will, at some point, be installed by Archie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, IU878176 said: Crean had a ton of shortcomings but Cody, in spite of Creans use of Cody often being slammed, was one of the highest scoring big men in the BT while being an underclassmen on a team with multiple shooters that “took” points from him. I’ll assume you were being sarcastic but there is NO WAY Archie’s offense gets him 30 a game with CWat, Hulls, Sheehey, Victor, Yogi etc also on the team. I'm saying put Cody on this team and give him the usage (or more) of TJD and the schemes we have and I think he averages 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, IU878176 said: Yep, relatively speaking Cody has “alligator arms”, while TJD has a much better wingspan, but good things happen with effort and a non-stop motor. Hopefully that mind-set and a tough minded culture will, at some point, be installed by Archie. TJD definitely has a better wingspan, but when you factor in Cody being 3" taller it isn't actually all that different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, BGleas said: I couldn't decide, so left it open-ended. Maybe two lists, best at IU and best overall? At IU: Cody Bryant TJD Vonleh Overall talent: Bryant Cody Vonleh TJD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 I think I’ve got to agree with my man KOB’s rankings. To me, Bryant’s ability to stretch in the NBA goes a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: I think I’ve got to agree with my man KOB’s rankings. To me, Bryant’s ability to stretch in the NBA goes a long way. TB is killing it with the Wiz. It’s a bad ream but he’s taken his game to a new level, including improving his shot from the arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: At IU: Cody Bryant TJD Vonleh Overall talent: Bryant Cody Vonleh TJD Agree except for the Vonleh - TJD order in the second group. Have to project with TJD of course snd the projection is he doesn’t grow his game. He’s better as a college player, he has the tools to be a good pro, imo, but his motor and D need work, and need to see him shooting more - he has looked good in the few shots he’s taken, solid form, shot with confidence. Not dissing Vonleh, he’s carved out an NBA career, but TJD has the talent and tools to get there, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 37 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Agree except for the Vonleh - TJD order in the second group. Have to project with TJD of course snd the projection is he doesn’t grow his game. He’s better as a college player, he has the tools to be a good pro, imo, but his motor and D need work, and need to see him shooting more - he has looked good in the few shots he’s taken, solid form, shot with confidence. Not dissing Vonleh, he’s carved out an NBA career, but TJD has the talent and tools to get there, imo Yeah I struggled a lot with those two on both lists. Vonleh came to IU as a very young freshman and only played that one season; it's honestly impressive when you see it in light on Lander at a similar age. I'm certainly not going to argue with thinking TJD is the better talent, but I tend to think Vonleh has gotten the least out of his talent of the group. He's honestly still young enough that he can be an impactful nba player at some point IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 11:00 PM, Inequality said: Man that was such a nail biter I ran out and had to chew on my yorkie’s You think I could try that technic on my Akita? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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