Brass Cannon Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, BGleas said: Sure, I guess. That is just lacking any/all context though. Maybe. But the argument we NEED top 50 players seems untrue. Does Wisconsin have a single top 50 player? You only NEED top 50 players if you can’t coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Leary brought up Race and said he didn't think he has improved that much but his minutes went up He thought Race should have been getting more minutes last year but didn't. Race did improve, and noticeably, last season, and in fairness his minutes increased dramatically over the last 10 or so games, to over 20 a game, while Brunk’s diminished to single digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Doesn't matter what Leary thinks...you've watched them...what do YOU think... I think AF and Race has improved and that usually happens when you get an opportunity to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 My broker is Todd Leary, and Todd Leary says.........<me with my hand to my ear> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 When talking a new HC, Steve Alford HAS to be in the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, rico said: When talking a new HC, Steve Alford HAS to be in the discussion. Why? He’s failed maybe not worse than Archie but more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Brass Cannon said: Why? He’s failed maybe not worse than Archie but more often. He just has to, And he has succeeded at more places than Archie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, rico said: When talking a new HC, Steve Alford HAS to be in the discussion. Why? He has been an average coach, has been fired, and had those serious player issues (criminal) while at Iowa. Great player, average coach with a lot of baggage. I would hate to see Alford anywhere near the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Why? He has been an average coach, has been fired, and had those serious player issues (criminal) while at Iowa. Great player, average coach with a lot of baggage. I would hate to see Alford anywhere near the discussion Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Why? He’s failed maybe not worse than Archie but more often. Well Alford has won the BTT twice and none of our coaches has won it at all. I was down on having an IU guy especially Alford but I have changed my stance on it. I think this might be the only thing that can bring all of the IU players and fans back together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, IU Scott said: Well Alford has won the BTT twice and none of our coaches has won it at all. I was down on having an IU guy especially Alford but I have changed my stance on it. I think this might be the only thing that can bring all of the IU players and fans back together. That’s called a retirement home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Ole' Bobby had his issues at IU as well. They got overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Inequality said: That’s called a retirement home Well what we have done the last 25 years hasn't work so why keep doing the same things when it doesn't work. that is definition of insanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 30 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Well what we have done the last 25 years hasn't work so why keep doing the same things when it doesn't work. that is definition of insanity Can you imagine any kind of buyout to can Miller and bring in Alford? Dolson may be hung up on nostalgia like a lot of fans but I seriously doubt he lacks smarts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: Well what we have done the last 25 years hasn't work so why keep doing the same things when it doesn't work. that is definition of insanity I am definitely insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, rico said: He just has to, And he has succeeded at more places than Archie. Where has he succeeded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said: Where has he succeeded? Manchester, SWMizzoiSt., New Mexico, and one could say Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Maybe. But the argument we NEED top 50 players seems untrue. Does Wisconsin have a single top 50 player? You only NEED top 50 players if you can’t coach So, Coach K, Roy Williams, Dean Smith, Jay Wright, Thad Matta, Tom Izzo, Bill Self, etc., etc., can't coach? When have those guys won big without high level talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, rico said: He just has to, And he has succeeded at more places than Archie. Career winning %: Miller 64.3% Alford 65.2% Current teams: IU 8-6, 72.6 ppg, 14.4 ast/12.1 TOs, 45.9% FG%, 32.4% 3pt%, 66.6% FT% NEV 9-5, 71.1 ppg, 14.0 ast/13.4 TOs, 44.3% FG%, 35.3% 3pt%, 73.9% FT% Especially considering schedules, I fail to see a meaningful upgrade here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, go_iu_bb said: I don't believe he was that high. I think he was in the 10-15 range or possibly just inside the top 10. Those are still very solid rankings and players rankled that high usually play more than he does their freshman season. He was the #1 PG in the 2021 class which might be what you were thinking of with the top 3. Even after reclassifying, he was a top 30 5* recruit and one of the top PG in that class. 25-30 seem to be more hit or miss on their immediate impact in college. Yeah. I knew it would be hard to say where a top 10-15 2021 kid would fit in with 2020, and obviously it has been rough so far. I would just say that it is rare to be top 10-15 in your class and not eventually at least be pretty solid. I think we hold our breath that next year he will be doing what you'd hope a top 10-15 freshman should do. This is still me being optimistic. It feels weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, BGleas said: So, Coach K, Roy Williams, Dean Smith, Jay Wright, Thad Matta, Tom Izzo, Bill Self, etc., etc., can't coach? When have those guys won big without high level talent? The fact they haven’t had to do It doesn’t mean they can’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, rico said: Manchester, SWMizzoiSt., New Mexico, and one could say Iowa. If his record at any of those places is what we deem as success we might as well throw in the towel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 35 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Race Thompson is a top 100 recruit who has been with Archie since his first season. And while Race is a decent player other teams are bringing in 3 stars and getting the same production within 2 years. Kind of nitpicking, but Race was 134. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: Kind of nitpicking, but Race was 134. Composite is broken because not everybody updated after he reclassified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 31 minutes ago, rico said: When talking a new HC, Steve Alford HAS to be in the discussion. In the words of our friend Rico, "Meh." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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