IU Scott Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, IU878176 said: Although some on the board disagree with Knights tactics he is pretty much unanimously considered one of the greatest college coaches of all time. He took IU to 4 final fours winning, of course, 3. ’76 team members Benson, May and Buckner were among the most highly recruited players in the country (ie top 50). ’81 team - 3/5 of the starters were burger boys and IT is considered one of the greatest PG’s of all time. ’87 team - Knights greatest coaching championship, in my opinion, with just one Burger Boy (Daryl Thomas), Alford (I know he was Mr Basketball but have no idea if he was highly ranked coming out of HS) and of course 2 transfers that helped get us over the top. ’93 team had 4 or so burger boys. In decades of coaching one of the greatest coaches of all-time made it to the final four only once, in ‘87, without multiple top 50 guys. Knight did not have the absolute best talent, as an example Dean Smith had absolutely loaded teams and should have won 3 or 4 times with his talent, but Knight did not tend to win big with 3 donkeys and 2 diamonds in the rough. We don’t need to go Calapari OAD’s to win but the odds are really stacked against us getting another banner without some top 50 talent. He went to the final four in 73 as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, IUFLA said: And he was a Fred Brown and a Chris Webber away from taking the donut... No question. But one way to look at is keep hacking away with competitive teams and you will break through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 hours ago, rico said: Manchester, SWMizzoiSt., New Mexico, and one could say Iowa. I agree with you in regards to the first three schools but he underperformed his predecessors at Iowa (not to mention the off the court stuff). After SWMizzo I really hoped he was on track to be IU’s coach at some point but his Iowa stint really soured me on him getting back to Bloomington. Not to mention he had mediocre results with a fair amount of talent at UCLA. He has had 2 power 5 jobs and both schools and fan bases were absolutely ecstatic to get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: He went to the final four in 73 as well Yes, Brain cramp on my part. Steve Downing was a monster that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: No question. But one way to look at is keep hacking away with competitive teams and you will break through. Yep. Dean Smith could coach, but he sure did have a lot of talent too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Yep. Dean Smith could coach, but he sure did have a lot of talent too... There is no way we should have beaten them in the sweet 16 in 1984 IU starters Alford Simmons Blab Dakich Giomi UNC starters Jordan Perkins B. Daugherty Smith M. Daugherty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUDan93 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 It's maddening, but I think our best chance at relevance within the next five years is with CAM at the helm. I don't want to change coaches, I like Arch and think he has to figure out how to get a point guard in the transfer portal that is a bulldog. If TJD comes back(not likely(?)), and he gets a seasoned and tough pg, then I think we will see a huge improvement next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 For IU to be the best next year if TJD comes back I like to see this lineup Lander Franklin Stewart Race TJD To me it would be a good sign if Lander can develop over the summer to get to where he can start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, IU Scott said: For IU to be the best next year if TJD comes back I like to see this lineup Lander Franklin Stewart Race TJD To me it would be a good sign if Lander can develop over the summer to get to where he can start. Man, we're making a habit of agreeing Scott! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: Man, we're making a habit of agreeing Scott! Something is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, IU Scott said: Something is wrong Is this a sign of the apocalypse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: For IU to be the best next year if TJD comes back I like to see this lineup Lander Franklin Stewart Race TJD To me it would be a good sign if Lander can develop over the summer to get to where he can start. Thing is we haven’t seen Stewart in the B1G. Think that’s just going to be a wait and see. Hunter could be outstanding by then, and we’re already seeing his improvement, if that continues watch out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: Is this a sign of the apocalypse? Actually on wat is happening in this world I have thought this could be the end of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Thing is we haven’t seen Stewart in the B1G. Think that’s just going to be a wait and see. Hunter could be outstanding by then, and we’re already seeing his improvement, if that continues watch out To e this would be the best case scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Thing is we haven’t seen Stewart in the B1G. Think that’s just going to be a wait and see. Hunter could be outstanding by then, and we’re already seeing his improvement, if that continues watch out Stewart has to be better that Rob and Al.....doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Actually on wat is happening in this world I have thought this could be the end of time. OMG... I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, NCHoosier32 said: OMG... I agree. With me coming over to negative side something is up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 hours ago, IU878176 said: I agree with you in regards to the first three schools but he underperformed his predecessors at Iowa (not to mention the off the court stuff). After SWMizzo I really hoped he was on track to be IU’s coach at some point but his Iowa stint really soured me on him getting back to Bloomington. Not to mention he had mediocre results with a fair amount of talent at UCLA. He has had 2 power 5 jobs and both schools and fan bases were absolutely ecstatic to get rid of him. The guy made a judgement mistake at Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, rico said: The guy made a judgement mistake at Iowa. Oh it went well beyond that. Not only was he very publicly vocal about Pierce’s innocence before he had the facts, he had his friends at Athletes in Action try to pressure the victim to drop the charges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: Oh it went well beyond that. Not only was he very publicly vocal about Pierce’s innocence before he had the facts, he had his friends at Athletes in Action try to pressure the victim to drop the charges So a few judgement mistakes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, rico said: So a few judgement mistakes... I refuse to support a program that hires Alford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 hours ago, IU Scott said: For IU to be the best next year if TJD comes back I like to see this lineup Lander Franklin Stewart Race TJD To me it would be a good sign if Lander can develop over the summer to get to where he can start. I hope TJD gives it another year. Improve draft stock. Get college degree (or pretty close). Clean up some unfinished business. That will be Archie’s biggest recruit - get TJD back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I refuse to support a program that hires Alford. Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 16 hours ago, KoB2011 said: I refuse to support a program that hires Alford. Same. Will officially become a Virginia fan. Man can’t believe I thought we were getting another Bennett at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 16 hours ago, KoB2011 said: I refuse to support a program that hires Alford. I agree. I could support Sampson coming back over Alford. Just God, please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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