Muddy River Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, IUFLA said: As I said previously, if I were Dolson I'd give him a 2 year extension with a slight raise, but the buyout stays at 3 mil. That would answer the recruiting question. But, I'd also have an ultra serious talk. We can't tread water forever. You have to start competing for the top spot. In other words, "here's a little more rope. You can use it as a lifeline, or make it into a moose." This one is made of wicker, but I think rope would be pretty cool too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: You have to coddle players to much and be PC. You can't really get into kids nay longer because the parents will pull the kids out and transfer. that what happens when people are to soft today. Scott! We are starting to bond. 😍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: I don't know if I'm completely sold he can't motivate, but it shocks me. Like BGleas has said a few times, that's what I thought we were getting. I thought we were headed to a team that would be hard nosed, tough, physical, solid D, etc. I would have never dreamed that he wouldn't be able to motivate and get guys to play hard. Today's bball society is so tough though. Kids' attitudes and personalities are so tough and unpredictable. I'm glad I'll be done with travel ball in a couple years. It's only gonna get worse. 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: You have to coddle players to much and be PC. You can't really get into kids nay longer because the parents will pull the kids out and transfer. that what happens when people are to soft today. I get that, but look at Tom Allen. 80% of that team would crawl through barbed wire for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Muddy River said: This one is made of wicker, but I think rope would be pretty cool too That damned auto correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, IUFLA said: As I said previously, if I were Dolson I'd give him a 2 year extension with a slight raise, but the buyout stays at 3 mil. That would answer the recruiting question. But, I'd also have an ultra serious talk. We can't tread water forever. You have to start competing for the top spot. In other words, "here's a little more rope. You can use it as a lifeline, or make it into a moose." If you have to extend him because recruits aren't sure if he'll still be around, then it's probably better to just fire him and remove all doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, 13th&Jackson said: I get that, but look at Tom Allen. 80% of that team would crawl through barbed wire for him For sure! That's the most important thing. Allen could be a terrible X's and O's guy and still do pretty well because of that. I have this weird feeling Greg Tonagel from IU Weslyan could be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: I get that, but look at Tom Allen. 80% of that team would crawl through barbed wire for him And when needed he gets into his players as well because the players he has can handle it. It just seems like football players are tougher and can handle some discipline but basketball players seems like divas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, TheWatShot said: If you have to extend him because recruits aren't sure if he'll still be around, then it's probably better to just fire him and remove all doubt. We all know he's getting next year...just remove any leverage other coaches think they'd have on the recruiting trail. If you don't, and he has a really successful year next year, you've cut your own throat on at least one recruiting class...if he doesn't, THEN you can fire him for the same buyout and nothing lost in recruiting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: We all know he's getting next year...just remove any leverage other coaches think they'd have on the recruiting trail. If you don't, and he has a really successful year next year, you've cut your own throat on at least one recruiting class...if he doesn't, THEN you can fire him for the same buyout and nothing lost in recruiting... His recruiting has already fallen off. Recruits aren’t stupid they can see a dead man walking regardless of a contract extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Muddy River said: This one is made of wicker, but I think rope would be pretty cool too I prefer chocolate moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: I don't know if I'm completely sold he can't motivate, but it shocks me. Like BGleas has said a few times, that's what I thought we were getting. I thought we were headed to a team that would be hard nosed, tough, physical, solid D, etc. I would have never dreamed that he wouldn't be able to motivate and get guys to play hard. Today's bball society is so tough though. Kids' attitudes and personalities are so tough and unpredictable. I'm glad I'll be done with travel ball in a couple years. It's only gonna get worse. Yeah, I'm so shocked that in year 4 we're dealing with this crap. I personally think today was on the players. With that said, I agree with the others that this has been a consistent problem under Archie. I really, really thought the one slam dunk with hiring Archie was going to be a tough-nosed, physical team. A team like Wisconsin, MSU, Virginia, etc. I'm just scratching my head that this has been a consistent problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: You have to coddle players to much and be PC. You can't really get into kids nay longer because the parents will pull the kids out and transfer. that what happens when people are to soft today. Very true; however, there are more than one way to motivate. He could use the bench, then again that would probably cause a transfer or two. A co-worker of mine has a couple of boys playing AAU and he is beside himself, because he is of the old school mode. He hast told me that losing in AAU is not a big deal because you have another game later that day, so every game is not that important for them. I see that in the players today. Also, he said the parents take out most if not obstacles that would help them learn and deal with adversity, instead mommy & daddy take care of it for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: His recruiting has already fallen off. Recruits aren’t stupid they can see a dead man walking regardless of a contract extension. No need to make stuff up...we did just fine with this present freshman class, have a top 100 big coming in, and Stewart... But, you can keep on wishing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BDB said: Very true; however, there are more than one way to motivate. He could use the bench, then again that would probably cause a transfer or two. A co-worker of mine has a couple of boys playing AAU and he is beside himself, because he is of the old school mode. He hast told me that losing in AAU is not a big deal because you have another game later that day, so every game is not that important for them. I see that in the players today. Also, he said the parents take out most if not obstacles that would help them learn and deal with adversity, instead mommy & daddy take care of it for them. Most don't care if they win. They play so many games year round that they are desensitized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, BDB said: Very true; however, there are more than one way to motivate. He could use the bench, then again that would probably cause a transfer or two. A co-worker of mine has a couple of boys playing AAU and he is beside himself, because he is of the old school mode. He hast told me that losing in AAU is not a big deal because you have another game later that day, so every game is not that important for them. I see that in the players today. Also, he said the parents take out most if not obstacles that would help them learn and deal with adversity, instead mommy & daddy take care of it for them. That is what I have heard as well about parents being a huge problem in youth sports. If their kids are not getting the right playing time they will move their kids or get on the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: His recruiting has already fallen off. Recruits aren’t stupid they can see a dead man walking regardless of a contract extension. There's just not really much to back this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: Most don't care if they win. They play so many games year round that they are desensitized. I have said for over 20 years that AAU has ruined basketball because he spreads entitlement. It also takes away the fundamentals of the game and like people said the desire to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, KoB2011 said: There's just not really much to back this up. I think to many is looking at the 21 class and we lost a couple of targets they think is totally fallen off I am nit that worried ab out recruiting right now but if we have another year where we don't get top targets then will worry. From the sound of it we will get a commit from an Indiana kid in the 22 class in Gunn from LN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I think to many is looking at the 21 class and we lost a couple of targets they think is totally fallen off I am nit that worried ab out recruiting right now but if we have another year where we don't get top targets then will worry. From the sound of it we will get a commit from an Indiana kid in the 22 class in Gunn from LN We got our very top target on the '21 class. He scored 6 points today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, KoB2011 said: We got our very top target on the '21 class. He scored 6 points today. Seems to me our top targets were Lander, Mohammad, Kaufmann and Duncomb. Archie got 2 of the 4, probably a pretty good ratio at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 There are reasons to complain, but recruiting? Red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyHoosier Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: There are reasons to complain, but recruiting? Red herring. I don't know. It's been ok, not great. We need more size and more higher end athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: We got our very top target on the '21 class. He scored 6 points today. I agree but stating what those who feels that recruiting is slipping thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: There are reasons to complain, but recruiting? Red herring. I agree but to me we need more guys in the top 30-75 range instead of 100-125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Days like today make me wonder if IU should have just hired Alford after Davis was let go...could we be in any worse shape? Would he still be here? I would say so looking back now..we have had 3 coaches since Davis and been on probation, losing seasons and outside of a few good seasons from Crean..mediocre at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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