TheWatShot Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: Agreed. I really don't think our roster is all that talented if you think about it. I think many of our fans have overestimated the talent on this team. I think it's why so many have convinced themselves that lack of consistent effort is our biggest problem. Effort isn't why we lost to Texas. Our recruiting since the OG/Morgan/Bryant class has been average at best. We get a Mr. Basketball winner and some dudes ranked below 100. Minus the Mr. Basketball winner, it's the kind of roster you'd see at a place like Dayton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: He went to 3 Sweet 16s in 4 years. Just saying. I would rather him than another non Hoosier. I’ve been excited about the last two hires and that hasn’t worked out well so maybe if I’m just meh, it will be good??🤷🏼♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, TheWatShot said: I think many of our fans have overestimated the talent on this team. I think it's why so many have convinced themselves that lack of consistent effort is our biggest problem. Effort isn't why we lost to Texas. Our recruiting since the OG/Morgan/Bryant class has been average at best. We get a Mr. Basketball winner and some dudes ranked below 100. Minus the Mr. Basketball winner, it's the kind of roster you'd see at a place like Dayton. Agree. Watching the Wisky/OSU game yesterday, OSU has a lot more talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 If we had recruits with the rankings listed above and they were from Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, or any other state than Indiana, we wouldn’t blow them up so much. But because they are from Indiana we exaggerate our expectations in the name of inside out and locking down the boarders. We think kids are better than their rankings because of where they are from. Don’t get me wrong, I like them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: I think many of our fans have overestimated the talent on this team. I think it's why so many have convinced themselves that lack of consistent effort is our biggest problem. Effort isn't why we lost to Texas. Our recruiting since the OG/Morgan/Bryant class has been average at best. We get a Mr. Basketball winner and some dudes ranked below 100. Minus the Mr. Basketball winner, it's the kind of roster you'd see at a place like Dayton. That OG, Morgan and Bryant class was not a highly ranked class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Robby Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: That OG, Morgan and Bryant class was not a highly ranked class 2 nba starters and another on a roster. Turned out okay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Coach Robby said: 2 nba starters and another on a roster. Turned out okay! Turned out well but just responding the post about that being our last good class we brought in. Just like VO and Sheehey class was highly ranked but turned out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: I think many of our fans have overestimated the talent on this team. I think it's why so many have convinced themselves that lack of consistent effort is our biggest problem. Effort isn't why we lost to Texas. Our recruiting since the OG/Morgan/Bryant class has been average at best. We get a Mr. Basketball winner and some dudes ranked below 100. Minus the Mr. Basketball winner, it's the kind of roster you'd see at a place like Dayton. Somebody posted last week that our last 3 classes were ranked 2, 6, and 2 in the BIG. Now we are not getting UK level talent, but we are recruiting in the upper half of our league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Turned out well but just responding the post about that being our last good class we brought in. Just like VO and Sherbet class was highly ranked but turned out well. Ah yes, good ol Rainbow Sherbet..heck of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, IUCrazy2 said: Somebody posted last week that our last 3 classes were ranked 2, 6, and 2 in the BIG. Now we are not getting UK level talent, but we are recruiting in the upper half of our league. Maybe that says more about the other teams recruiting in the league. Until UM and the 21 class the big ten had not been bringing in elite recruits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, IUCrazy2 said: Ah yes, good ol Rainbow Sherbet..heck of a player. Hate auto correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, IU Scott said: Maybe that says more about the other teams recruiting in the league. Until UM and the 21 class the big ten had not been bringing in elite recruits. Yeah, but it also speaks to them doing a better job developing their talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, IUCrazy2 said: Yeah, but it also speaks to them doing a better job developing their talent. Of course it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Hate auto correct Don't worry, Scott...I'm in there jockeying for position with you as the Norm Crosby of the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Turtle Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Does Archie survive a losing season? Because it could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy River Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: He went to 3 Sweet 16s in 4 years. Just saying. He's been to 4 sweet 16s in 25 years....just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sea Turtle said: Does Archie survive a losing season? Because it could happen. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sea Turtle said: Does Archie survive a losing season? Because it could happen. If we have a losing season and are swept by Purdue, I would honestly hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sea Turtle said: Does Archie survive a losing season? Because it could happen. With the buyout I would say yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilleHoosier Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Looking at the talent level in the Big 10 compared to conference record, Michigan State and Maryland are under-performing (we slightly are) and Wisconsin, Iowa, and Purdue are over-performing . The rest of the conference, while not a exact correlation, is about where they should be according to their talent level. Michigan and Illinois have some of the highest ranked recruits and are 1 and 3 in the conference. Archie, has to bring in more talent. We should not have the same # of 100 recruits as Northwestern. If we are one of the blue blood programs, we should be able to recruit at the level Michigan and Illinois are. team RSCI top 100 rsci top 50 KenPom B10 Win % illinois 4 4 7 0.67 Michigan State 9 3 44 0.33 michigan 5 2 3 0.89 maryland 5 1 41 0.33 Indiana 3 1 24 0.44 Ohio State 1 1 12 0.60 rutgers 1 1 41 0.40 iowa 3 0 4 0.75 northwestern 3 0 71 0.30 purdue 2 0 29 0.60 wisconsin 1 0 11 0.67 minnesota 0 0 30 0.44 Penn State 0 0 46 0.29 nebraska 0 0 123 0.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, EvilleHoosier said: Looking at the talent level in the Big 10 compared to conference record, Michigan State and Maryland are under-performing (we slightly are) and Wisconsin, Iowa, and Purdue are over-performing . The rest of the conference, while not a exact correlation, is about where they should be according to their talent level. Michigan and Illinois have some of the highest ranked recruits and are 1 and 3 in the conference. Archie, has to bring in more talent. We should not have the same # of 100 recruits as Northwestern. If we are one of the blue blood programs, we should be able to recruit at the level Michigan and Illinois are. team RSCI top 100 rsci top 50 KenPom B10 Win % illinois 4 4 7 0.67 Michigan State 9 3 44 0.33 michigan 5 2 3 0.89 maryland 5 1 41 0.33 Indiana 3 1 24 0.44 Ohio State 1 1 12 0.60 rutgers 1 1 41 0.40 iowa 3 0 4 0.75 northwestern 3 0 71 0.30 purdue 2 0 29 0.60 wisconsin 1 0 11 0.67 minnesota 0 0 30 0.44 Penn State 0 0 46 0.29 nebraska 0 0 123 0.00 Is this: 1) Him really focusing on kids from the state and maybe missing out on more talented kids elsewhere? 2) Evaluating kids who would make a great team at Dayton and not necessarily the B1G? 3) Maybe can’t get the best kids or isn’t the best evaluator? This freshman class seems like they will be extremely solid and most of them are 4 year guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Turtle Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 54 minutes ago, IU Scott said: With the buyout I would say yes Man, I just don't see how you can have a losing year in year 4 anywhere. I get there is a buyout but good grief, does the school even care anymore? I just watched Tennessee introduce Danny White(not the Dallas QB)as their new AD from Central Florida. That would have been a great hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonHershey Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: New coach? It's under our nose! With our society being so overly PC, why not Teri Moren? At least knows how to motivate her players! We need to take advantage of the changing times. Move TJD to the women's team and start collecting trophies! He/she/they'll be unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leathernecks Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm a firm believer that a coach has a big hand in a team's motivation. There's a reason we have had very few poor showings from our football team. Those kids will do anything for Allen, and we come to play every game. The lack of consistent effort and motivation of our basketball team is really startling. The inconsistency happening for 3.5 straight years screams major troubles to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, EvilleHoosier said: Looking at the talent level in the Big 10 compared to conference record, Michigan State and Maryland are under-performing (we slightly are) and Wisconsin, Iowa, and Purdue are over-performing . The rest of the conference, while not a exact correlation, is about where they should be according to their talent level. Michigan and Illinois have some of the highest ranked recruits and are 1 and 3 in the conference. Archie, has to bring in more talent. We should not have the same # of 100 recruits as Northwestern. If we are one of the blue blood programs, we should be able to recruit at the level Michigan and Illinois are. team RSCI top 100 rsci top 50 KenPom B10 Win % illinois 4 4 7 0.67 Michigan State 9 3 44 0.33 michigan 5 2 3 0.89 maryland 5 1 41 0.33 Indiana 3 1 24 0.44 Ohio State 1 1 12 0.60 rutgers 1 1 41 0.40 iowa 3 0 4 0.75 northwestern 3 0 71 0.30 purdue 2 0 29 0.60 wisconsin 1 0 11 0.67 minnesota 0 0 30 0.44 Penn State 0 0 46 0.29 nebraska 0 0 123 0.00 Archie’s model from day 1 has been - “get old and stay old”. Look at Wisconsin and Iowa ... that philosophy works. I know we all want to see it play out faster, but next year will be the telling year if TJD comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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