Inequality Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, John S said: My thoughts exactly. Why not shake it up for a while,,,,let the young guys, who always seem to play at a faster tempo, get minutes early in the game. I have a feeling TJD then may pick up his pace and stop overthinking. Why does archie coach them to run those incredibly slow sets ad nauseum? It is especially frustrating in the first ten minutes, when they are probably full of energy too. I think there is something to this worth trying. Really, I don’t see anything to lose at this point. Plus, if the guards we’re able to hit on a consistent basis, that presents a whole new problem which could create better opportunities for Trace/Race in the paint rather than the defense having an intimidator badge. Lolol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, John S said: Why does archie coach them to run those incredibly slow sets ad nauseum? Because it produces good shots? That's the rub here. Getting the shots, versus making those shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Because it produces good shots? That's the rub here. Getting the shots, versus making those shots. True. Would we still get so many good looks if we started hitting them though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: True. Would we still get so many good looks if we started hitting them though? I'd hope so... You don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: True. Would we still get so many good looks if we started hitting them though? What's the hypothesis you are getting at here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, KoB2011 said: What's the hypothesis you are getting at here? That teams are sagging off our guards to prevent penetration and daring us to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: That teams are sagging off our guards to prevent penetration and daring us to shoot. Its shots at the rim we're mostly missing early on these games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, BGleas said: Its shots at the rim we're mostly missing early on these games. True. Was thinking more perimeter shots we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoutofsix Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I'd hope so... You don't? Defense is sagging off the perimeter, defense against IU will change if my shots are hit. How many drives are 1 on 2, 1 on 3 - D taking away the drive, leaving open shots. Now start making the shots more, or take more, maybe the inside will open up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fiveoutofsix said: Defense is sagging off the perimeter, defense against IU will change if my shots are hit. How many drives are 1 on 2, 1 on 3 - D taking away the drive, leaving open shots. Now start making the shots more, or take more, maybe the inside will open up. Agree with that 100%... Then the question becomes, can we hit the outside shots at a consistent 40% clip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Agree with that 100%... Then the question becomes, can we hit the outside shots at a consistent 40% clip? 3 1/2 years would indicate....no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoutofsix Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Agree with that 100%... Then the question becomes, can we hit the outside shots at a consistent 40% clip? I would almost get them to shoot more. Shots will fall and with the dribble drives that end up in turnovers or going against two trees who are monstering up...i would shoot the ball. It will eventually even out especially if it is done with confidence and part of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, BGleas said: I do agree with some though that maybe just a simple switch to the lineup could simply just change the pace. It does seem like the starters play at a slower pace to begin the game, so maybe getting Lander in there or having Franklin handle the ball with Hunter on the wing just changes the tempo a bit. I just meant Archie's viewpoint isn't crazy. If guys just finished in the paint and made free throws we're not having this conversation. It’s a little bit of both. Ya we have missed some easy shots around the rim to start games but it’s also the fact that Rob has been so awful. Put Hunter in the lineup with Franklin and Al. That gives us 3 guys that can make outside shots to help TJD have time to relax and get a feel for how they are going to play him. I don’t think benching Rob could make his confidence any worse. I don’t think it’s possible to play any worse than he has offensively. In fact having him come off the bench might help him. He might feel less pressure. That’s what I see from the outside looking in but I’m not at practice or around the guys everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, Fiveoutofsix said: I would almost get them to shoot more. Shots will fall and with the dribble drives that end up in turnovers or going against two trees who are monstering up...i would shoot the ball. It will eventually even out especially if it is done with confidence and part of the system. That’s not how shooting works? Bad shooters don’t just get better because they shoot more. If it did Hack a Shaq wouldn’t have been a viable strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoutofsix Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said: That’s not how shooting works? Bad shooters don’t just get better because they shoot more. If it did Hack a Shaq wouldn’t have been a viable strategy I don't think they are bad shooters, I really don't. Most have decent form, I think it is the confidence to shoot. I have never seen an Indiana team, even under the pass it three times with Knight, hesitate and look over to the bench after every missed shot. Al, Rob, Hunter, Franklin all can shoot. We had a kid who won games with Green and he wasn't allowed to shoot or would be pulled for a quick shot. The kid was able rattle off threes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, 5 championships said: It’s a little bit of both. Ya we have missed some easy shots around the rim to start games but it’s also the fact that Rob has been so awful. Put Hunter in the lineup with Franklin and Al. That gives us 3 guys that can make outside shots to help TJD have time to relax and get a feel for how they are going to play him. I don’t think benching Rob could make his confidence any worse. I don’t think it’s possible to play any worse than he has offensively. In fact having him come off the bench might help him. He might feel less pressure. That’s what I see from the outside looking in but I’m not at practice or around the guys everyday. Agree. Unfortunately, Phinisee has been the main issues shooting wise. Franklin, Durham, Hunter and even Leal have been solid to really good. We'd actually be a pretty good shooting team if our point guards weren't so bad shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I thought I saw for the last 6 games or so our 3 point percentage is around 37 percent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maedhros Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I thought I saw for the last 6 games or so our 3 point percentage is around 37 percent In conference play, we're shooting 35% from three, good for fifth in the conference. We're dead last in attempts though, with just 18.7 per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Maedhros said: In conference play, we're shooting 35% from three, good for fifth in the conference. We're dead last in attempts though, with just 18.7 per game. We need to shoot more of them. 35% given the amount of late, forced threes we take is actually good. We pass up a lot of good looks from deep early in the shot clock IMO. I actually think both the 2 and 3 point percentage would go up of we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonHershey Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 And we're back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, AshtonHershey said: And we're back. And one step closer to Coach Alford 🤮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: And one step closer to Coach Alford 🤮 Can it be much worse?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 i would think this thread will be taking off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Just now, NCHoosier32 said: i would think this thread will be taking off... Everyone finishing up their drinks and probably watching some good basketball on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said: Can it be much worse?? I think it is time to bring in an IU guy to see if they can change the culture. Also do it and if it doesn't work then we can put to rest that it needs to be an IU guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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