Air Ball Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 I think that Archie Miller will be back next year. Only way he wouldn't be back is if a donor or donors are found to make the buyout(s) happen and if there is a great alternative head coach available. Wins are not the only criteria by which this coach or any coach may be evaluated. Certainly, the whole body of work when looking at wins and losses is bad for IU and Archie. So I would not be surprised if there is a change. I actually can see the team being lots better next year given a few positives. We all know what they are. The AD likely is not ready to pull the trigger on Archie Miller. Crean did not leave the cupboard full. In addition he and the previous administration may have just about poisoned the well. Injuries have hobbled the team...year after year. And Covid-19 may just give Archie Miller a bye year. These rumors happen. Only the AD knows for sure. He is likely on the fence and very patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Ballin Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I heard it really doesn't matter because there is going to be an alien invasion on June 14th. @BGleas did you ever find that hate button!?! 🤬🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, IU Scott said: The thing is if they bring back Archie and no extension it will kill recruiting for the 202 class. What player will want to commit to IU not knowing about what is going on with the coaching situation. Archie....👇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Air Ball said: I think that Archie Miller will be back next year. Only way he wouldn't be back is if a donor or donors are found to make the buyout(s) happen and if there is a great alternative head coach available. Wins are not the only criteria by which this coach or any coach may be evaluated. Certainly, the whole body of work when looking at wins and losses is bad for IU and Archie. So I would not be surprised if there is a change. I actually can see the team being lots better next year given a few positives. We all know what they are. The AD likely is not ready to pull the trigger on Archie Miller. Crean did not leave the cupboard full. In addition he and the previous administration may have just about poisoned the well. Injuries have hobbled the team...year after year. And Covid-19 may just give Archie Miller a bye year. These rumors happen. Only the AD knows for sure. He is likely on the fence and very patient. Wins are what matter. Wins I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I heard it really doesn't matter because there is going to be an alien invasion on June 14th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJack Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 15 hours ago, Inequality said: I think it’s a tough move but necessary. I don’t see any possibility of fan base recovery at this point. Recruiting isn’t going to be there for a guy treading water. The IU faithful are many. The ones close to me have tuned out. Family members who’ve been multi-generation ticket holders have forfeited tickets and stopped donating. If a change is made, by golly they better go big time, no holds barred. An underwhelming hire will just continue to shrink the fan base. It’s not that hard. No genius required. You want to win big, you invest big. Your only going to get out of it what your willing to put into it. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJack Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, Air Ball said: I think that Archie Miller will be back next year. Only way he wouldn't be back is if a donor or donors are found to make the buyout(s) happen and if there is a great alternative head coach available. Wins are not the only criteria by which this coach or any coach may be evaluated. Certainly, the whole body of work when looking at wins and losses is bad for IU and Archie. So I would not be surprised if there is a change. I actually can see the team being lots better next year given a few positives. We all know what they are. The AD likely is not ready to pull the trigger on Archie Miller. Crean did not leave the cupboard full. In addition he and the previous administration may have just about poisoned the well. Injuries have hobbled the team...year after year. And Covid-19 may just give Archie Miller a bye year. These rumors happen. Only the AD knows for sure. He is likely on the fence and very patient. If he isn't fired this year it will only show that they aren't serious about winning. Kentucky, NC, Kansas wouldn't put up with this level of apathy. It would be way too expensive to keep him around regardless of buyout, salary of new coach, etc. It's simply bad business from a money standpoint vs. having a high flying national program. I'm assuming Alabama football, Kentucky/Duke basketball are pretty prosperous because they decided to invest properly in their athletic programs. It can be done if you have money (I think IU does) and the courage (I don't think IU admins do) to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 I'm just going to throw this out there ... some heads will likely explode, though. 2012-13 roster vs. potential 2021-22 roster Yogi - Lander Hulls - Franklin VO - Hunter Watford - Race Zeller - TJD Pretty big edge to VO and Yogi, but those other 3 spots are arguably pretty even, and the bench isn't too bad, either - Brunk, Rob, Leal, Geronimo, Trey, Stewart, Duncomb. I'm just saying that without a home run hire, I'd like to see what CAM does with that before making a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I'm just going to throw this out there ... some heads will likely explode, though. 2012-13 roster vs. potential 2021-22 roster Yogi - Lander Hulls - Franklin VO - Hunter Watford - Race Zeller - TJD Pretty big edge to VO and Yogi, but those other 3 spots are arguably pretty even, and the bench isn't too bad, either - Brunk, Rob, Leal, Geronimo, Trey, Stewart, Duncomb. I'm just saying that without a home run hire, I'd like to see what CAM does with that before making a change. Cody was light years ahead of Trayce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJack Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I'm just going to throw this out there ... some heads will likely explode, though. 2012-13 roster vs. potential 2021-22 roster Yogi - Lander Hulls - Franklin VO - Hunter Watford - Race Zeller - TJD Pretty big edge to VO and Yogi, but those other 3 spots are arguably pretty even, and the bench isn't too bad, either - Brunk, Rob, Leal, Geronimo, Trey, Stewart, Duncomb. I'm just saying that without a home run hire, I'd like to see what CAM does with that before making a change. Shooting is the main issue with Archie's team. Yogi, Hulls, and Watford could get really hot on any given night. Sometimes they would get hot at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I'm just going to throw this out there ... some heads will likely explode, though. 2012-13 roster vs. potential 2021-22 roster Yogi - Lander Hulls - Franklin VO - Hunter Watford - Race Zeller - TJD Pretty big edge to VO and Yogi, but those other 3 spots are arguably pretty even, and the bench isn't too bad, either - Brunk, Rob, Leal, Geronimo, Trey, Stewart, Duncomb. I'm just saying that without a home run hire, I'd like to see what CAM does with that before making a change. The only position in which this team is even close is Hulls/Franklin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUrocker Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I'm just going to throw this out there ... some heads will likely explode, though. 2012-13 roster vs. potential 2021-22 roster Yogi - Lander Hulls - Franklin VO - Hunter Watford - Race Zeller - TJD Pretty big edge to VO and Yogi, but those other 3 spots are arguably pretty even, and the bench isn't too bad, either - Brunk, Rob, Leal, Geronimo, Trey, Stewart, Duncomb. I'm just saying that without a home run hire, I'd like to see what CAM does with that before making a change. I guess the main thing that wouldn’t excite me about this with CAM being back is the fact that it’s exactly who he had at to work with this year, only minus Stewart and Duncomb, and hasn’t really done a darn thing. So my thinking as far as “like to see what CAM does with that” goes...I feel like we already have. Just my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhinithreeMagic Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Just now, go_iu_bb said: The only position in which this team is even close is Hulls/Franklin. Agreed. And you could even argue Hulls' premiere shooting and leadership were more valuable than any advantage Franklin gives you from a talent perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I'm just going to throw this out there ... some heads will likely explode, though. 2012-13 roster vs. potential 2021-22 roster Yogi - Lander Hulls - Franklin VO - Hunter Watford - Race Zeller - TJD Pretty big edge to VO and Yogi, but those other 3 spots are arguably pretty even, and the bench isn't too bad, either - Brunk, Rob, Leal, Geronimo, Trey, Stewart, Duncomb. I'm just saying that without a home run hire, I'd like to see what CAM does with that before making a change. If you don't think that 2013 team would beat the other by 30 plus points you're insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I'm just going to throw this out there ... some heads will likely explode, though. 2012-13 roster vs. potential 2021-22 roster Yogi - Lander Hulls - Franklin VO - Hunter Watford - Race Zeller - TJD Pretty big edge to VO and Yogi, but those other 3 spots are arguably pretty even, and the bench isn't too bad, either - Brunk, Rob, Leal, Geronimo, Trey, Stewart, Duncomb. I'm just saying that without a home run hire, I'd like to see what CAM does with that before making a change. 2012-2013 has each position by a wide margin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I'm just going to throw this out there ... some heads will likely explode, though. 2012-13 roster vs. potential 2021-22 roster Yogi - Lander Hulls - Franklin VO - Hunter Watford - Race Zeller - TJD Pretty big edge to VO and Yogi, but those other 3 spots are arguably pretty even, and the bench isn't too bad, either - Brunk, Rob, Leal, Geronimo, Trey, Stewart, Duncomb. I'm just saying that without a home run hire, I'd like to see what CAM does with that before making a change. Cody waaaayyyyyy better than Trayce yogi way better than Whatever guard you wanna out from this years squad. watford and race is probably the closest and watford wins by a landslide. Bad comparison, really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I'm just going to throw this out there ... some heads will likely explode, though. 2012-13 roster vs. potential 2021-22 roster Yogi - Lander Hulls - Franklin VO - Hunter Watford - Race Zeller - TJD Pretty big edge to VO and Yogi, but those other 3 spots are arguably pretty even, and the bench isn't too bad, either - Brunk, Rob, Leal, Geronimo, Trey, Stewart, Duncomb. I'm just saying that without a home run hire, I'd like to see what CAM does with that before making a change. Every player on the 13 roster is way better then the 21 roster...and its not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, dbmhoosier said: If you don't think that 2013 team would beat the other by 30 plus points you're insane. Dude, calm down. It's a post meant to open up some discussion. Where did I say they would compete with each other as teams? I said if you compare by position, there is going to be talent on the team coming back that's comparable to the 2012-13 team. As for Cody/TJD, did you see Cody getting double teamed ... ever? No, because the other 4 would have lit it up from 3. Their stats, at least the basic ones, are pretty similar in year 2 for each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 I think this guy has been running the program the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Just now, IUwins0708 said: Cody waaaayyyyyy better than Trayce Cody ran the floor so well and how TJD doesn't run back on defense hard Cody would get a lot of layups on the fast break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Just now, PhinithreeMagic said: Agreed. And you could even argue Hulls' premiere shooting and leadership were more valuable than any advantage Franklin gives you from a talent perspective. Yep. I was initially gong to say that Franklin is better, mostly because of his defense, but remembered that Hulls had a lot of intangibles like leadership. Plus, Hulls was a bit better of a shooter although Franklin isn't too far from Hulls there this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: Dude, calm down. It's a post meant to open up some discussion. Where did I say they would compete with each other as teams? I said if you compare by position, there is going to be talent on the team coming back that's comparable to the 2012-13 team. As for Cody/TJD, did you see Cody getting double teamed ... ever? No, because the other 4 would have lit it up from 3. Their stats, at least the basic ones, are pretty similar in year 2 for each. I think the discussion is already over😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, IUrocker said: I guess the main thing that wouldn’t excite me about this with CAM being back is the fact that it’s exactly who he had at to work with this year, only minus Stewart and Duncomb, and hasn’t really done a darn thing. So my thinking as far as “like to see what CAM does with that” goes...I feel like we already have. Just my humble opinion. I agree to an extent. I think Rob would be more valuable coming off the bench, and you'd also replace Al with Franklin and move Jerome into the starting lineup, which should be an improvement (I feel like AF was set for a breakout before getting hurt). That bench is a whole lot better, with two seniors and the freshmen class having another year under their belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Like Franklin a lot but he’s not a Jordy. He’s trying but not close to the shooter Jordy is/was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwtaylor1055 Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 This has a nice ring to it CJH...Come back home Jordy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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