tdhoosier Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, JABBATHEHOOSIER said: You can't accept mediocrity for the sake of being scared of the unknown. In Archie's 4 years as coach his Big Ten Standings are as follows 1st year - 7th 2nd year - 9th 3rd year - 11th 4th year - 10th So you would rather stand put with those standings rather than try to get better? My employer wouldn't keep me around if my job performance was so mediocre. They would keep striving to bring somebody in who was better capable of performing the job at a higher level. Nothing is for sure in life. A new coach may perform worse, that's possible. But you cannot keep accepting mediocrity due to fear of getting worse. You should be more fearful of not changing and getting worse. Especially when your current path has shown no positive signs of lasting improvement. My only disagreement is with your definition of mediocrity. If one thinks CAM can turn it around then fine, but mediocrity means ‘middle of the pack’ to me. We have been below mediocrity, with exception of year 1. One can say that the B1G has been tough, but it’s our reality. It’s who we play our games against. For every spot we slip in the standings...that’s a team who is pulling ahead of us...one that is improving at a greater rate then we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbp4IU Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 Well the Tom Allen extension proves that money isn’t an issue. Now what is the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feathery Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 Should be am interesting week or 2. Rumors of IU reaching out to others. Rumors of Archie wanting out himself. Maybe this will be amicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JABBATHEHOOSIER Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: My only disagreement is with your definition of mediocrity. If one thinks CAM can turn it around then fine, but mediocrity means ‘middle of the pack’ to me. We have been below mediocrity, with exception of year 1. One can say that the B1G has been tough, but it’s our reality. It’s who we play our games against. For every spot we slip in the standings...that’s a team who is pulling ahead of us...one that is improving at a greater rate then we are. 100% agree. Calling the last several years mediocre was definitely being generous of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, JABBATHEHOOSIER said: The roster Coach Crean left for Miller is better than anything Archie has assembled since then. LOL.... ah, no. Newkirk SR Green JR Johnson SR Smith FR Morgan JR Bench Durham FR D Davis SR (could barely run) McSwain Jr SR McRobberts SR vs Phinisee JR Durham SR Franklin SO Thompson JR TJD SO Bench Hunter SO Galloway FR Lander FR Geronimo FR Leal FR Man, that is a lot of bad shooters.... lol It might be a final score of 35 to 23, but the current team would win. And the only underclassmen that paid off was Durham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 47 minutes ago, TargaFlorio said: Perhaps Dolson and the BOT have been working on something else . . . Dolson . . . https://iuhoosiers.com/news/2021/3/8/indiana-university-iu-head-football-coach-tom-allen-agree-to-restructured-deal-through-2027.aspx At least we've got him tied down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 27 minutes ago, Feathery said: Should be am interesting week or 2. Rumors of IU reaching out to others. Rumors of Archie wanting out himself. Maybe this will be amicable. Where would he go? I don’t see Archie walking away from the money and quitting on IU personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 I’ve been involved in some board work over the years as probably many of you have. One thing I wanted to point out is that the Board may give direction and authorize Dolson to proceed certain ways but that doesn’t mean anything needs to happen today. There could easily be a flow path with different scenarios and he is given direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bustout said: Where would he go? I don’t see Archie walking away from the money and quitting on IU personally. Boston College Penn State Pit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaloisGroupe Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, JugRox said: Boston College Penn State Pit We better hope he does not go to PSU - He would be a thorn in our side for the foreseeable future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feathery Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, Bustout said: Where would he go? I don’t see Archie walking away from the money and quitting on IU personally. Rumor is Archie wants out. If you’re not happy somewhere then money doesn’t matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feathery Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, JugRox said: Boston College Penn State Pit Any decent mid-major that opens up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferg 32 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Feathery said: Rumor is Archie wants out. If you’re not happy somewhere then money doesn’t matter. Maybe. If he wants out I hope he makes that decision to step down but $10m is a lot to leave on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftheref Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, Bustout said: Where would he go? I don’t see Archie walking away from the money and quitting on IU personally. Hopefully to Purdue so we could finally beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feathery Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, Ferg 32 said: Maybe if he wants out I hope he makes that decision to step down but $10m is a lot to leave on the table. Yup. It’s just a rumor so who knows. But I won’t be surprised if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftheref Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, GaloisGroupe said: We better hope he does not go to PSU - He would be a thorn in our side for the foreseeable future... I could care less where he goes. One thing for sure is in the four years he has been here we haven't been a thorn in anyone's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 56 minutes ago, Feathery said: Should be am interesting week or 2. Rumors of IU reaching out to others. Rumors of Archie wanting out himself. Maybe this will be amicable. Where did you see that at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Feathery said: Yup. It’s just a rumor so who knows. But I won’t be surprised if it happens. Why does he want out? Just because he hasn’t been successful? He doesn’t strike me as that type of person - rather the type of person that will want to keep grinding, overhaul, and fix it. Just me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferg 32 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Bustout said: Why does he want out? Just because he hasn’t been successful? He doesn’t strike me as that type of person - rather the type of person that will want to keep grinding, overhaul, and fix it. Just me though. Could be a factor of things. Could come down to his family isn’t enjoying Bloomington. Maybe outside factors like that. Obviously speculation on my part but doesn’t have to necessarily be because it’s not going his way currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Bustout said: Why does he want out? Just because he hasn’t been successful? He doesn’t strike me as that type of person - rather the type of person that will want to keep grinding, overhaul, and fix it. Just me though. Would you enjoy losing plus the fans being all over you all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Would you enjoy losing plus the fans being all over you all the time When you agree to coach IU, you know exactly what you’re getting yourself into. I’m sure he’s disappointed with the results thus far, but to run from the job? Seems like BS. He always compliments how great the fans are at AH, etc. In fact, I’m sure he’s begging Dolson for one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaloisGroupe Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, jefftheref said: I could care less where he goes. One thing for sure is in the four years he has been here we haven't been a thorn in anyone's side. Yes, but as many have stated on here (even those wishing for CAM to leave): CAM can coach and win - he did it at Dayton He may have had his hands tied wrt to the hierarchy on player decisions at IU He is not cut out for the pressure that comes with the IU job PSU would offer him similar infrastructure and resources to IU and remove 2. and 3. He would have the resources of a big ten team and less pressure than he had at Dayton. I have lived in BOTH state college and cincinnati - I can assure you there is more pressure on the Dayton basketball coach than the PSU basketball coach. I think your point is born out of bitterness (which I understand), not really thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 I will say, this latest pay increase to CTA does feel completely different from a Glass lead administrative move.... This really puts the spotlight on both Archie AND Dolson with the current bb situation. It definitely leads one of many questions the BOT and everyone, for that matter, is thinking and will be asking..... "How are you going to properly and correctly address or handle the ongoing decline of the men's basketball program?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, Feathery said: Yup. It’s just a rumor so who knows. But I won’t be surprised if it happens. Do you know any names of who we’ve reached out to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftheref Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, GaloisGroupe said: Yes, but as many have stated on here (even those wishing for CAM to leave): CAM can coach and win - he did it at Dayton He may have had his hands tied wrt to the hierarchy on player decisions at IU He is not cut out for the pressure that comes with the IU job PSU would offer him similar infrastructure and resources to IU and remove 2. and 3. He would have the resources of a big ten team and less pressure than he had at Dayton. I have lived in BOTH state college and cincinnati - I can assure you there is more pressure on the Dayton basketball coach than the PSU basketball coach. I think your point is born out of bitterness (which I understand), not really thinking. I am not bitter one bit. The facts are the facts when it comes to his coaching ability. He will have to win no matter where he goes and he will be playing the same teams there as here. He couldn't do it here with all the talent in this state. I wish him no I'll will but he was a total failure here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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