IU Scott 9,743 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: No kidding. However if one of Sam Story's, I'm sorry Coach Sam Story's billionaire friends wants to literally buy him, I'm ok with that. @CoachSS. Anyone willing to pay? I put in 5 bucks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NotIThatLives 2,231 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 We are too big of wussies and goodie 2 shoes to get a real winner around here. However, maybe we could offer Painter and he could leverage yet again another pay raise only to spurn the suitor(IU). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NotIThatLives 2,231 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: I put in 5 bucks I'd probably throw $100 tonight. Let me check me little robinhood account I've been playing with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NotIThatLives 2,231 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Let’s get Calbert Cheney and steal Phil Martelli way from Michigan. And maybe get the ghost of Rick Majerus for our 3rd assistant. Can they recruit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IU Scott 9,743 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: I'd probably throw $100 tonight. Let me check me little robinhood account I've been playing with. I am unemployed but when I get a job I will put more in. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IU Scott 9,743 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Listening to Keith Smart on a podcast I came away very impressed with him so I would look at him. He said he had interviewed for a couple of college jobs including IU. He said his lack of recruiting was a big reason for not getting a better look. He told them all kids want to go to the next level and him being in the NBA would be a big selling point. He said him played and coached at all levels of the professional game would help 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bushmage 197 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Archie is back next year because we threw him so much money in a buyout so the optics of a slam dunk hire was there. We screwed up big time. If its money related that gives him a fifth year, I can understand that. But im not gonna pretend like we should wait another year because of a shallow hiring pool. We aren't poaching a big name without an enormous sum of money involved. We have taken a permanent step down in our program until we have a new collection of major accomplishments over several seasons to account for. Archie didnt get a "major rebuild" to take over like so many would love to believe. But now we are truly in that boat. The name of the next coach isn't nearly as important as the complete upheaval of our programs culture in the short and mid term future. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maedhros 319 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 35 minutes ago, Hoosier0908! said: There-in lies our problem. We take a chance on another mid-major coach, that appears to be up-and-coming. Do we capture lighting in a bottle? Or, is it fools gold similar to Archie? I think Archie gets year five, but if (when) TJD leaves, he doesn’t have a chance. Nothing wrong with hiring mid-major coaches. Beard was hired from Arkansas Little Rock. Jay Wright was hired from Hofstra. Butler was a mid-major when Brad Stevens became a household name. Tony Bennett was hired from Washington State, which might as well be a mid-major. You just need to identify the right guy. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IU Scott 9,743 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I am not normally a guy who wants to just hire an IU guy but it mightjust be the time. I don't want to go the mid major route again and maybe it would be better for a guy who knows IU and their fans 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bushmage 197 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: I am not normally a guy who wants to just hire an IU guy but it mightjust be the time. I don't want to go the mid major route again and maybe it would be better for a guy who knows IU and their fans Michigan did this and its working great so far. This isn't as gloom and doom of a route as it may seem potentially. What we don't need is another AD trying to convince everyone they found a diamond in the rough. Culture over everything at this point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CTrojan88 580 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 (edited) What IU guys are out there? I’ve seen Cheaney, Smart.....thinking Fife, Alford....who else. Dare I say Dakich 😳 Edited January 15 by CTrojan88 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5fouls 14,392 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 11 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Listening to Keith Smart on a podcast I came away very impressed with him so I would look at him. He said he had interviewed for a couple of college jobs including IU. He said his lack of recruiting was a big reason for not getting a better look. He told them all kids want to go to the next level and him being in the NBA would be a big selling point. He said him played and coached at all levels of the professional game would help I think Smart would make a very good college coach. I don't understand why Cheaney always gets mentioned ahead of Smart. Smart has NBA coaching experience, and quite honestly, got a raw deal with the Kings, 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coach Robby 753 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Dane Fife? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IU Scott 9,743 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Coach Robby said: Dane Fife? He is an assistant if a 2-5 team LOL! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bronkonagurski 351 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 15 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Listening to Keith Smart on a podcast I came away very impressed with him so I would look at him. He said he had interviewed for a couple of college jobs including IU. He said his lack of recruiting was a big reason for not getting a better look. He told them all kids want to go to the next level and him being in the NBA would be a big selling point. He said him played and coached at all levels of the professional game would help Keith Smart has been my darkhorse candidate for the IU job for a while now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IU Scott 9,743 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, bronkonagurski said: Keith Smart has been my darkhorse candidate for the IU job for a while now. I think that would.be the route I would go. The podcast was hosted by AJ Guyton and saw it on YouTube and it was pretty good. It is on the field of 68 podcast and AJ has had a lot of older IU players on there 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrflynn03 2,621 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Basketball isn't that frickin hard. Each team has 5 guys on the floor. Be in good condition, hit your damn free throws, hit anything really. There is some strategy involved but it's ultimately a very simple game. Pass, move, score. But shooting almost 70% from three point range is absolutely ridiculous. But, it's been a constant failure during CAMs tenure. We get lit up with the 3 ball in probably 60+% of the games. I like the guy but I'm out. I wish him success in the future but it ain't happening at IU. 😔 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tdhoosier 1,789 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 22 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Listening to Keith Smart on a podcast I came away very impressed with him so I would look at him. He said he had interviewed for a couple of college jobs including IU. He said his lack of recruiting was a big reason for not getting a better look. He told them all kids want to go to the next level and him being in the NBA would be a big selling point. He said him played and coached at all levels of the professional game would help Do you remember which podcast? I’d like to check it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IU Scott 9,743 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Do you remember which podcast? I’d like to check it out. AJ Guyton on the field of 68 and it is on YouTube 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leathernecks 4,189 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Wait, so you're telling me a system that focuses on packing the lane on defense and pounding the paint on offense struggles to work in 2021? I'm absolutely shocked 🙄 I didn't like this hire from day 1. Nothing I've seen has changed that opinion at all. I almost never post on the basketball board because I didn't want to be a downer, but I'm not surprised at all we're at this point. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrflynn03 2,621 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 33 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: We are too big of wussies and goodie 2 shoes to get a real winner around here. However, maybe we could offer Painter and he could leverage yet again another pay raise only to spurn the suitor(IU). The administration is afraid of another controversial coach. What IU needs to understand is this, they are a State School and without a productive Basketball Program the University would be an afterthought. Indiana University needs a successful Basketball program to be relevant. Yeah, they have Kelly School of Business. But what else? Business degrees are easy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iuthruandthru 792 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: He doesn't want to coach college basketball I know we have had this debate before but you still have to send out feelers. Put together as much money as you can and really pump the idea of bringing your childhood favorite program back to glory. Not saying he would come but you have to make it enough for him to truly dig deep On it. But if you can’t get Beard or someone like Brad for next year then i am kind of not sure what makes the most sense to do with Archie. It may be the booze talking but part of me also still thinks there are a lot of games to play this year. I freaking hate another loss to Purdue but still a lot of chances to right the season. Edited January 15 by iuthruandthru Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThePaulieWalnuts 473 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Agreed, this isn't working out. Will a change happen after the season? No. Should a change happen after the season? Yes. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dgambill 5,548 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I’ve had a chance to cool down. Pretty ticked at the effort level of our upper class man. Guess we will see this thing through. See how the season ends up and then look at the program going into next year. If Trayce is gone this program is going to finish bottom of the pack regardless and a new coach will be fine. Not like we even have a good recruiting clAss coming in. Even if kids leave the transfer portal will be full of prospects and we probably won’t do any worse than with Miller. If Trayce stays then you run it back and see if Archies kids will respond...but by end of next year you have to make the decision and all arrows are pointing to a new coach unless this team wakes up and starts fighting for their coach. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CincyHoosier 997 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Archie is in the twilight of his IU coaching career, whether it is 2 more months or 14. I've tried to resist this line of thinking because the IU basketball program is in such a tenuous state that we needed Archie to be the guy. But when you can't beat your in-state rival, can't finish above .500 in conference, and the recruiting takes a downturn it's just incredibly difficult to recover. This is why I've been saying how problematic the recruiting misses were for 2021. Recruits bring hope for better future teams and we've got one 100 ranked C coming in next year. I don't see how this ends well. And I can't say I have confidence the pattern won't continue. I don't see why an established, winning coach at a Power 5 team or even a hot young mid-major up and comer would look at the program and want to jump in without having some sort of emotional tie to IU basketball. So maybe we are left with an "IU guy" and that's the lightning in the bottle this program needs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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