IowaHoosierFan Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Bustout said: Do you really think Archie feels that way? A competitive person. The coach of one of the best programs in hoops. A very coveted job. Do you think he’s actively looking to get out? I personally don’t. While I realize he hasn’t won much here, I think he wants to win here. Not sure you can use best program in hoops, well at least last 30 years. We are not a premier program any longer. Still storied and an old school blue blood. But not relevant in basketball any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePaulieWalnuts Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: Not sure you can use best program in hoops, well at least last 30 years. We are not a premier program any longer. Still storied and an old school blue blood. But not relevant in basketball any longer. Were not even the best program in the Big Ten anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, ThePaulieWalnuts said: Were not even the best program in the Big Ten anymore. Were not even the best program in the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUDan93 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, BDB said: Were not even the best program in the state. "We're" not even the best program at IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, IUDan93 said: "We're" not even the best basketball program at IU. Fixed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaloisGroupe Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 7 hours ago, JJack said: You can say he's right about a lot of things. I could also say he's wrong about a lot of things. I could say he says a LOT of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaloisGroupe Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: The IU basketball program in one picture. Not that is important, but is that real and recent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo123 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 John B looking good sporting the Hoosier colors tonight. Hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Sea Turtle said: Every successfull basketball school is a fish bowl. Think Kansas is any different for these coaches? If he can't take it then he needs to leave Yes, yes I do. Maybe UK fans, but that’s probably it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, IowaHoosierFan said: Not sure you can use best program in hoops, well at least last 30 years. We are not a premier program any longer. Still storied and an old school blue blood. But not relevant in basketball any longer. It’s still one of the premier jobs. Not a top 5 job, but it’s still easily one of the best. No brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bustout said: It’s still one of the premier jobs. Not a top 5 job, but it’s still easily one of the best. No brainer. It’s an interesting dichotomy. Folks want to say that we aren’t a top program anymore based on our recent record, yet we should be attracting the best possible coaching candidates because we are a premier program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: It’s an interesting dichotomy. Folks want to say that we aren’t a top program anymore based on our recent record, yet we should be attracting the best possible coaching candidates because we are a premier program Last time around, we got arguably one of the best up and coming coaches. Obviously hasn’t quite worked out. Up and comers certainly are a gamble - that’s why I don’t think they’ll go an Oats, Fife type guy this time around. Probably try to grab someone with big12, big10, etc experience. Even Crean had this program back near the top of the world. I’m confident there are a lot of other guys that can (and equally shocked Archie hasn’t honestly/admittedly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loviubb Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 Is it not sad that even The fan base have lost faith!! I for one hoped that IU made the right choice with CAM. When CRMK said the kid can coach!!! But IU fans might be not willing to wait that long. I am at the point where I want the 6th. Banner but also Know we have had teams that could. Pay me a $ 250, 000 and I could go 50% wining at IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: It’s an interesting dichotomy. Folks want to say that we aren’t a top program anymore based on our recent record, yet we should be attracting the best possible coaching candidates because we are a premier program Think of it like this. We are a broke Indy car. There are only so many Indy cars available and when we were not broke, we were one of the best. So when the opportunity to take that car comes up, there are still some drivers who think they can put together a team to make that car a winner again because only so many cars in the race have the type of engineering it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: Think of it like this. We are a broke Indy car. There are only so many Indy cars available and when we were not broke, we were one of the best. So when the opportunity to take that car comes up, there are still some drivers who think they can put together a team to make that car a winner again because only so many cars in the race have the type of engineering it does. What if we’re a NASCAR kinda team 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: Think of it like this. We are a broke Indy car. There are only so many Indy cars available and when we were not broke, we were one of the best. So when the opportunity to take that car comes up, there are still some drivers who think they can put together a team to make that car a winner again because only so many cars in the race have the type of engineering it does. That’s a good analogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Ballin Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: What if we’re a NASCAR kinda team 😄 Indy car, NASCAR.....whatever. I just wish we'd stop turning right. 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Bustout said: Do you really think Archie feels that way? A competitive person. The coach of one of the best programs in hoops. A very coveted job. Do you think he’s actively looking to get out? I personally don’t. While I realize he hasn’t won much here, I think he wants to win here. Yes, I agree that he wants to win but, as you have pointed out, he knew the expectations coming in and has to feel the weight of realizing that 6th, 9th, 10th, 10th is not REMOTELY CLOSE to what the fans and his bosses expected. He is human and looks beaten down. I’m not sure why you can’t accept the possibility that maybe he realizes this isn’t worth it and/or knows he is in over his head and/or is thinking it was a lot more fun at a mid-major like Dayton. Competitors strive to “move up the food chain” but that isn’t a good decision for everyone. Kudos to a guy like Few that realizes he is in his “happy place” at a place that does not come with the pressure of trying to turn around a former blue blood. Saban was built to handle a turnaround but many others aren’t built that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 5 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: I get the impression, like most jobs, they said what they needed to get him and then he saw what it's really going to be like. Not in to quoting myself but felt to clarify. In my experience employers are trying to sell you the job as much as you are trying to sell yourself as a prospective employee. Let's be real, both sides BS each other to get the best deal. I really think Archie is a good to possibly great coach and just got a raw deal. He just needs the right environment. I went through the mud and am doing great. Hope with all I have in my heart that CAM figures it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Not in to quoting myself but felt to clarify. In my experience employers are trying to sell you the job as much as you are trying to sell yourself as a prospective employee. Let's be real, both sides BS each other to get the best deal. I really think Archie is a good to possibly great coach and just got a raw deal. He just needs the right environment. I went through the mud and am doing great. Hope with all I have in my heart that CAM figures it out. I'm not convinced he's even a good coach at this point. His offensive efficiency ratings got worse each year he was at Dayton, and that's even with the league's top teams moving to other conferences. He brought that horrendous offense with him here and it hasn't gotten any better. No reason to think it ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 It seems to me that us,HSN, could advocate for putting a coaching staff together made up of our members. We will work for much less. Just give me the opportunity to throw a chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 5 hours ago, ThePaulieWalnuts said: Were not even the best program in the Big Ten anymore. Man this sucks. We fell off a cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDIUFAN Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 Wouldn’t you like a reporter to ask, Archie how devastating is it to your team and staff an recruiting. To miss going to the NCAA tournament when the entire thing is playing in your home state. Also after four year of the same results how can you sell the player on this stuff works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 12 hours ago, Bustout said: Do you really think Archie feels that way? A competitive person. The coach of one of the best programs in hoops. A very coveted job. Do you think he’s actively looking to get out? I personally don’t. While I realize he hasn’t won much here, I think he wants to win here. Give Mike Davis a call and ask him if he was ready to get out. He led us to a title game appearance CAM has led us to obscurity. I could see him ready to get out of Dodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: Give Mike Davis a call and ask him if he was ready to get out. He led us to a title game appearance CAM has led us to obscurity. I could see him ready to get out of Dodge Two completely different personalities. Being the head coach at IU isn’t for everyone, but Archie has the mental fortitude for it and the thick skin imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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