Bustout Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Some speculation that Wojo’s seat is en fuego. If he is fired, I wonder if Dawson would consider leaving. He’s phenomenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, Bustout said: Some speculation that Wojo’s seat is en fuego. If he is fired, I wonder if Dawson would consider leaving. He’s phenomenal. He’d probably wait and see who they hire. The new coach will try and keep him. No reason to speculate yet though. A lot can happen between now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted February 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, DC2345 said: He’d probably wait and see who they hire. The new coach will try and keep him. No reason to speculate yet though. A lot can happen between now and then. Yeah. Just getting my hopes up for an obvious fall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 The Garcia recruiting failure was the most disappointing of the CAM era for me. It was the first time I felt we had gone 100% out for a recruit and lost out. It also confirmed my growing doubts about the ability to successfully recruit highly ranked out of state players (sadly, nothing has removed that doubt for me). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo123 Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Zuckerkorn said: The Garcia recruiting failure was the most disappointing of the CAM era for me. It was the first time I felt we had gone 100% out for a recruit and lost out. It also confirmed my growing doubts about the ability to successfully recruit highly ranked out of state players (sadly, nothing has removed that doubt for me). If this is true, then we don't have the right guy leading the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, Zuckerkorn said: The Garcia recruiting failure was the most disappointing of the CAM era for me. It was the first time I felt we had gone 100% out for a recruit and lost out. It also confirmed my growing doubts about the ability to successfully recruit highly ranked out of state players (sadly, nothing has removed that doubt for me). Kaufman was a much bigger miss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted February 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, Zuckerkorn said: The Garcia recruiting failure was the most disappointing of the CAM era for me. It was the first time I felt we had gone 100% out for a recruit and lost out. It also confirmed my growing doubts about the ability to successfully recruit highly ranked out of state players (sadly, nothing has removed that doubt for me). They’ve since hired Kenya though. Does that give you any hope? He’s brought in Stewart thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Kaufman was a much bigger miss. Lol. I knew someone would say this, and it may end up being true. The feeling at the time of the Garcia recruitment was that CAM had done a great job of locking up the state. But I feel that alone will not get us back to being national contenders - we need to bring in top players from all corners. But that has yet to happen. As for Kauffman, missing was particularly discouraging because he chose our rival over us. I don't know if he's "great" or not, but sometimes I feel in-state players can be overhyped on IU message boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDIUFAN Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bustout said: They’ve since hired Kenya though. Does that give you any hope? He’s brought in Stewart thus far. I Hope so, missing on Kurst, Kaufman and Garcia was a major set back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bustout said: They’ve since hired Kenya though. Does that give you any hope? He’s brought in Stewart thus far. Hope is just that - hope. I have no feel one way or another on him. Results are needed. Stewart, to the extent that Kenya was involved will hopefully (there's that word again) provide much needed shooting. Mid season transfers are a bit of an unusual circumstance. A lot of teams have their rosters set and may not have an open scholarship available for the season in progress. That may be moot if the kid never gets in a game in these remaining weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, Zuckerkorn said: Lol. I knew someone would say this, and it may end up being true. The feeling at the time of the Garcia recruitment was that CAM had done a great job of locking up the state. But I feel that alone will not get us back to being national contenders - we need to bring in top players from all corners. But that has yet to happen. As for Kauffman, missing was particularly discouraging because he chose our rival over us. I don't know if he's "great" or not, but sometimes I feel in-state players can be overhyped on IU message boards. Well I was always pretty certain that we never had a prayer at Garcia. That seemed like Garland all over again. Just a recruit using Archie to get attention. But Trey was an in state recruit that we had to land and were also the clear front runner all along until the last minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Zuckerkorn said: Lol. I knew someone would say this, and it may end up being true. The feeling at the time of the Garcia recruitment was that CAM had done a great job of locking up the state. But I feel that alone will not get us back to being national contenders - we need to bring in top players from all corners. But that has yet to happen. As for Kauffman, missing was particularly discouraging because he chose our rival over us. I don't know if he's "great" or not, but sometimes I feel in-state players can be overhyped on IU message boards. Players IU recruits can be overhyped and it remains to be seen how well Kaufman will play at the college level but he should fall into the "pretty good" to "great" college player range. He's similarly ranked (247 composite) to TJD coming out of HS (TJD 30 rating 0.9890, Kaufman 32 rating 0.9872). A bit smaller than TJD coming out of HS but he does have a more versatile offensive game. I haven't seen Kaufman play so I don't know about other aspects such as quickness compared to TJD. He should be a good player, though, and losing him hurt. Particularly losing him to Purdue. Edited February 15, 2021 by go_iu_bb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBQ Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: Well I was always pretty certain that we never had a prayer at Garcia. That seemed like Garland all over again. Just a recruit using Archie to get attention. But Trey was an in state recruit that we had to land and were also the clear front runner all along until the last minute. I don’t think this is true. I may be missing something, but haven’t seen anything that makes me believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 He committed to Marquette like 4 days before he made the official announcement. We were not the front runners in the last week as a lot of people speculated 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, BeerBQ said: I don’t think this is true. I may be missing something, but haven’t seen anything that makes me believe it. Well sure seemed like we were at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, dbmhoosier said: Well sure seemed like we were at least. It probably seemed like it because of all the B.S. "experts" on message boards (good news coming, he's about to commit, blah blah blah). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Zuckerkorn said: It probably seemed like it because of all the B.S. "experts" on message boards (good news coming, he's about to commit, blah blah blah). Yeah who knows with recruiting. I do wonder how much Painter supposedly selling him as a 3 played a role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Even if Wojo's fired, the new coach will make it a priority to keep Garcia. I think eventually Garcia would stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Zuckerkorn said: Lol. I knew someone would say this, and it may end up being true. The feeling at the time of the Garcia recruitment was that CAM had done a great job of locking up the state. But I feel that alone will not get us back to being national contenders - we need to bring in top players from all corners. But that has yet to happen. As for Kauffman, missing was particularly discouraging because he chose our rival over us. I don't know if he's "great" or not, but sometimes I feel in-state players can be overhyped on IU message boards. The back to back years of losing out on Garcia then Kaufman/Mohammad combined with our up and down season has left a lot feeling like we are just treading water. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, dgambill said: The back to back years of losing out on Garcia then Kaufman/Mohammad combined with our up and down season has left a lot feeling like we are just treading water. Agree. When programs like MSU, UNC, Louisville, etc., are rolling is when they stack recruits like TJD, Garcia and Kaufmann in consecutive classes. Same at the guard spots. IU's problem the last 10-15+ years is we have those guys one at time, we rarely have 3 or so stud guys at the same time. We have Langford and then TJD. We have Zeller on the inside and then Vonleh, and then a year with none, and then Thomas Bryant. I've been waiting for the IU coach that can produce multiple top 30-40 recruits in a class and then stack 3-4 classes like that in a row. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, BGleas said: Agree. When programs like MSU, UNC, Louisville, etc., are rolling is when they stack recruits like TJD, Garcia and Kaufmann in consecutive classes. Same at the guard spots. IU's problem the last 10-15+ years is we have those guys one at time, we rarely have 3 or so stud guys at the same time. We have Langford and then TJD. We have Zeller on the inside and then Vonleh, and then a year with none, and then Thomas Bryant. I've been waiting for the IU coach that can produce multiple top 30-40 recruits in a class and then stack 3-4 classes like that in a row. There are certainly coaches out there that could do that in Bloomington who we could get. But I don't think they are are guys our administration would ever hire. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, BGleas said: Agree. When programs like MSU, UNC, Louisville, etc., are rolling is when they stack recruits like TJD, Garcia and Kaufmann in consecutive classes. Same at the guard spots. IU's problem the last 10-15+ years is we have those guys one at time, we rarely have 3 or so stud guys at the same time. We have Langford and then TJD. We have Zeller on the inside and then Vonleh, and then a year with none, and then Thomas Bryant. I've been waiting for the IU coach that can produce multiple top 30-40 recruits in a class and then stack 3-4 classes like that in a row. I think winning would be the recipe for that... Crean did win, but by the time he did, he had supposedly alienated Indiana high school coaches to the degree that he couldn't pull solid classes from in state. Basically, after "The Movement" we whiffed on every top 100 Indiana kid not named James Blackmon. Initially, I heard Archie had a good relationship with most Indiana high school coaches, but I don't really know where that is. If he can win, still get most of the kids he wants in state, then he can go outside of the state a pick up some top 100 kids. Knight always seemed to get highly rated kids from the Midwest. I don't think you have to cover the whole US and unless there's a connection to the program from outside of the Midwest region, I'd concentrate my efforts there. But winning is the key... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 58 minutes ago, BGleas said: Agree. When programs like MSU, UNC, Louisville, etc., are rolling is when they stack recruits like TJD, Garcia and Kaufmann in consecutive classes. Same at the guard spots. IU's problem the last 10-15+ years is we have those guys one at time, we rarely have 3 or so stud guys at the same time. We have Langford and then TJD. We have Zeller on the inside and then Vonleh, and then a year with none, and then Thomas Bryant. I've been waiting for the IU coach that can produce multiple top 30-40 recruits in a class and then stack 3-4 classes like that in a row. I don’t know why it is so hard at IU...the facilities, the legacy, the conference....even in my NCAA game I have top 3 classes year in and year out. 😝 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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