5fouls Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: Dude has not missed a 3 pointer all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hoosierfan1901 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Dude has not missed a 3 pointer all year. Pretty worried about him, 40/40 from 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seeking6 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 41 minutes ago, IU Scott said: BTN is showing the 2001 IU/MSU game right now. This is the one where Kirk Haston's hit a 3 at the buzzer to win. Was in a basement of a church in Kendallville, Indiana watching while wedding was going on upstairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 On 2/18/2021 at 1:32 PM, addictedtoIU said: Archie owns Izzo. Somehow Archie's style works pretty well on Izzo. As long as we have Archie, I don't fear MSU at all. Already marked W on this game. I'll eat my own words. Archie doesn't own anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 hours ago, addictedtoIU said: I'll eat my own words. Archie doesn't own anyone. He owns IU...he has a 10 million dollar buyout lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, dgambill said: He owns IU...he has a 10 million dollar buyout lol. IU should stop getting into this ridiculous contract. A successful coach on his contract extension deserves 10 mil (or more) buyout. I don't know if this is common for coaches hired for the first time at a high major D1 like IU, but this put us in such difficult spot. I feel this is very unfair to bigtime donors who love IU basketball dearly. So what's IU going to tell them? "Hey, you need to open up your wallets so we can fire this coach and start over. IU can't pay this 10 mil buyout. If you want a new coach, pay up." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, addictedtoIU said: IU should stop getting into this ridiculous contract. A successful coach on his contract extension deserves 10 mil (or more) buyout. I don't know if this is common for coaches hired for the first time at a high major D1 like IU, but this put us in such difficult spot. I feel this is very unfair to bigtime donors who love IU basketball dearly. So what's IU going to tell them? "Hey, you need to open up your wallets so we can fire this coach and start over. IU can't pay this 10 mil buyout. If you want a new coach, pay up." Well Alabama just gave Oates an extension and a 10 million buyout. That is a coach who was 16-15 last year and is having his first good year at the school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 We talk about it a lot, but presumably the buyout provision should include (a) offset language, and (b) best efforts requirement for Archie to find comparable employment. In essence, if Archie is making $3.2 M in the agreement, he can be assured of making that much even if he gets fired. But he’s not entitled to a windfall where he can collect the buyout and go to the beach for three years. So if he gets a job at another school and gets paid $2.5 M under my hypothetical, IU would owe him $700k per year. I have not looked up the agreement, but these are fairly standard points and Fred is an attorney. I’m sure he wouldn’t mess that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Well Alabama just gave Oates an extension and a 10 million buyout. That is a coach who was 16-15 last year and is having his first good year at the school. That's the point. Alabama at least witnessed a good season and potential in Nate Oats, but IU didn't even watch a single game and handed out a 10 mil buyout. IU doesn't know how to protect itself. That's dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: We talk about it a lot, but presumably the buyout provision should include (a) offset language, and (b) best efforts requirement for Archie to find comparable employment. In essence, if Archie is making $3.2 M in the agreement, he can be assured of making that much even if he gets fired. But he’s not entitled to a windfall where he can collect the buyout and go to the beach for three years. So if he gets a job at another school and gets paid $2.5 M under my hypothetical, IU would owe him $700k per year. I have not looked up the agreement, but these are fairly standard points and Fred is an attorney. I’m sure he wouldn’t mess that up. Thank you for reminding me. I remember this was discussed when Crean was let go. Obviously, offset is not guaranteed, but IU doesn't need to bear the whole financial burden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Well Alabama just gave Oates an extension and a 10 million buyout. That is a coach who was 16-15 last year and is having his first good year at the school. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the other side of the buyout. Oates or his new employer would have to pay that to Bama if he leaves for another job. I don't know what the terms of his pay if he were to be fired are so it may be 10mil as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, cybergates said: Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the other side of the buyout. Oates or his new employer would have to pay that to Bama if he leaves for another job. I don't know what the terms of his pay if he were to be fired are so it may be 10mil as well. That is what the buyouts are for is to protect the team more than the coach. You protect yourself if your coach wants to go to another program so the buyout makes it harder for them to just jump to a new job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 Can i ask a stupid question? Why isn't this thread closed? Its a MSU pre-game thread from last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: Can i ask a stupid question? Why isn't this thread closed? Its a MSU pre-game thread from last week. You can blame me 'cause I said Archie owned Izzo before the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 no, i just think pr-game threads should be locked as soon as the game starts. We have so many threads going and now that game and pre and post gam threads are in another section, lots of back and forth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, IU Scott said: That is what the buyouts are for is to protect the team more than the coach. You protect yourself if your coach wants to go to another program so the buyout makes it harder for them to just jump to a new job I know that's what I said. His "buyout" in terms of firing (like the much discussed Archie one) is If Oats is fired without cause by Alabama, he’d be owed 75% of the remaining base and talent feed owed by the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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