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Just now, addictedtoIU said:

I'm with you. We all worry about who it's gonna be before the announcement. But once we get a new coach, we gotta get behind him and support. Who knows? Alford could be totally rejuvenated and do some magic. Or Fife turns out to be a mature coach way beyond his years.  

I guess the $64 million dollar question is, if they do bring Archie Miller back, will you all get behind him?

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2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

hos last two years has not been great

Career Overall   200 141 59 .705 16.14 6.77          
  Little Rock   35 30 5 .857 7.12 -1.76          
  Texas Tech   165 111 54 .673 17.94 8.47          
2015-16 Little Rock Sun Belt 35 30 5 .857 7.12 -1.76       Reg. Season Champion; Conf. Tournament Champion; NCAA Tournament  
                           
2016-17 Texas Tech Big 12 32 18 14 .563 14.11 7.86          
2017-18 Texas Tech Big 12 37 27 10 .730 19.38 9.60   6 14 NCAA Tournament  
2018-19 Texas Tech Big 12 38 31 7 .816 22.79 9.53   7 9 Reg. Season Champion; NCAA Tournament; NCAA FF  
2019-20 Texas Tech Big 12 31 18 13 .581 16.83 8.41 13 11      
2020-21 Texas Tech Big 12 27 17 10 .630 16.59 6.96 14 7      

 

Maybe not great, but look at it this way - he’s been a D1 coach for six years.  Assuming they were in last year, he’s been in tourney five times with an E8 appearance and a national champ appearance.  And he’s 48. 

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2 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

I guess the $64 million dollar question is, if they do bring Archie Miller back, will you all get behind him?

I give everything the benefit of the doubt but think it would be hard to go all in because for me I would expect the same. For the guys on the team yes until proven its the same old story

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1 hour ago, Zuckerkorn said:

Since this is all speculation, I'd like to throw out a thought: I'd guess Stevens would be the #1 choice of 95+% of posters/fans - what kind of roster do you think he'd put on the floor?

At Butler he had great teams with very few top-25 level recruits.  Would he follow that blueprint, or pursue one and done types now that he was at a high profile school and with NBA experience?  Would he have the same level of success, would it change how he coaches or how his team plays?  Or would it be much like the BU days where we wpuld frequently be "less talented" but better prepared/coached?

I'd love to find out and am as confident as possible his teams would be a pleasure to watch with plenty of success.

I am sure he would get more talent at IU than he had at Butler but I don't see him going after the one and done players.

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1 minute ago, IUFLA said:

I guess the $64 million dollar question is, if they do bring Archie Miller back, will you all get behind him?

Oh man, isn't that a tough question? I won't root against him, but I'll just stop watching games. You don't expect anything drastic happening next season if he comes back, do you? 

At this point, Archie needs all kinds of specialists (consultants). He needs an offensive coordinator, a defensive coordinator, a star recruiter, and a shot (or shoot) doctor. Then, why do we need Archie? 

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15 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

I´ll tell you what I´m going to do. No matter who it is (assuming it´s not CAM) I am going to give whoever gets the gig a fighting chance. Whether I like the hire or not, makes no difference at all. I cannot go into a new coach´s tenure with a sour taste. Only way to go is up...

We all have our opinions on who we want it to be...will it happen? No clue. I just hope the fanbase will get behind whoever it is from day 1, and give them a chance, even when we lose a game we shouldn´t. 

Amen to that

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4 minutes ago, Bustout said:

All true.  He’s at the top of my realistic wishlist too.  But here’s another question - why wasn’t he even sniffed four years ago?  What do Glass/Dolson know that we don’t?  There are some documented red flags with him - but are there more too?    At least begs the question.      
 

Or was it moreso Glass just felt Archie was better all around, better long term, and better at the time?

Good questions but I don't know the answers to them. For most of their coaching hires the previous ADs didn't really seem to full coaching searches (multiple AD and multiple sports). They usually seem to either settle on an internal hire or do a half-assed search while already being fixated on a certain coach. The latter seems to be the case with Miller.

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2 minutes ago, addictedtoIU said:

You don't expect anything drastic happening next season if he comes back, do you? 

I have to reserve comment on that until I see who we have coming back...Under certain scenarios, I think, yeah, I would expect to compete for the B1G championship...

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5 minutes ago, addictedtoIU said:

Then, why do we need Archie? 

Better guard play...One of our guards is not physically capable enough, and not consistent enough to be a B1G starting guard (Al)...One has lost his confidence (Rob) and one has been injured for half the year (Armaan)...

Parker Stewart and Khristian Lander wait in the wings, along with whatever other freshman can make an Armaan type leap into their sophomore year...

TJD coming back would be nice too ;) 

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8 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I would back him but have no enthusiasm during the off season

 

6 minutes ago, ThePaulieWalnuts said:

Pretty much this.

 

Just now, Parakeet Jones said:

Me too, and I would add I will have 0 expectation for next season to that. 

So I can expect to catch no crap this off season if CAM is back?

Hallelujah! :) 

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This is stating the most obvious thing ever, but it carries more weight than ever before - next coach has to recruit nationally better (which is why Archie brought in Kenya).   I’m sure a lot of us are old school and appreciate Archie’s no nonsense approach, etc, but outside of a few Indiana guys, he not attracting top talent.    It’s hard to sell kids these days on a mega pack line and a 1922 pick and roll system.    Kids want to be showcased.     

Studs/playmakers can also hide a lot of deficiencies.  Kids that can create their own shots and make plays can hide a bad offensive system.   I think Archie is probably an OK coach - he’s just primarily building Dayton talent.  Also probably shows that Crean is actually a very bad coach.  Had all the talent in the world.  
 

Tom Allen is successful because he’s getting good players in here consistently.  Archie is not.    Unless he sells Dolson on a major overhaul from now until August, I’m not sure how anything will change next season - unless he’s removed.    
 

Again - stating the obvious.  But in today’s world, it’s more important than ever. 

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18 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Better guard play...One of our guards is not physically capable enough, and not consistent enough to be a B1G starting guard (Al)...One has lost his confidence (Rob) and one has been injured for half the year (Armaan)...

Parker Stewart and Khristian Lander wait in the wings, along with whatever other freshman can make an Armaan type leap into their sophomore year...

TJD coming back would be nice too ;) 

I like your optimism but you're way too optimistic. We've watched this same drama for 4 years, and I just can't expect any drastic changes in the off season. If it really has to happen, Archie needs to let go of some of his assistants or to hire (like I said) consultants. Archie seems to be a stubborn guy, and would he hire someone from outside and let them teach his players? That takes a lot of courage and also humility. Archie didn't strike me as that type of guy. 

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5 hours ago, Bustout said:

Fair. I’ll break it down further next time ... but you gotta at least give me that a Fife house is at least framed?!???

No, it's not framed. The dude has an under .500 record as a head coach and hasn't been a head coach in over a decade. Dane Fife is currently an empty lot. 

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I wonder what the conversations between Dolson and Archie will be like?

As an Eagles fan, everything i read was that the Eagles owner was going to give Doug Pedersen a chance to keep his job. They met after the season for Pedersen to present his plan to turn the team around next season. 

From all accounts, in the meeting Pedersen's plan was to just run it back with no changes. To keep the same QB coach who just presided over maybe the worst QB fall from grace (in terms of play) and just elevate him to Offensive Coordinator. That was the only change Pedersen suggested. 

That's when the owner realized he had to fire him. 

I wonder if Dolson will give Archie a chance to present a plan to turn this around and then base his decision, among other factors of course, on that?

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43 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

Good questions but I don't know the answers to them. For most of their coaching hires the previous ADs didn't really seem to full coaching searches (multiple AD and multiple sports). They usually seem to either settle on an internal hire or do a half-assed search while already being fixated on a certain coach. The latter seems to be the case with Miller.

Didnt IU hire an outside firm to do the coaching search last time?

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3 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

No, it's not framed. The dude has an under .500 record as a head coach and hasn't been a head coach in over a decade. Dane Fife is currently an empty lot. 

Ha.  He did fair for a team going D1 for the first time.   Did you expect him in the final four year three?

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I wonder what the conversations between Dolson and Archie will be like?

As an Eagles fan, everything i read was that the Eagles owner was going to give Doug Pedersen a chance to keep his job. They met after the season for Pedersen to present his plan to turn the team around next season. 

From all accounts, in the meeting Pedersen's plan was to just run it back with no changes. To keep the same QB coach who just presided over maybe the worst QB fall from grace (in terms of play) and just elevate him to Offensive Coordinator. That was the only change Pedersen suggested. 

I wonder if Dolson will give Archie a chance to present a plan to turn this around and then base his decision, among other factors of course, on that?

I was thinking about the Eagles situation ironically.   Pedersen wanted to promote a bunch of his guys and Lurie wanted bigger names.  So Pedersen got fired.         Then they hired a guy nobody outside of Indiana had ever heard about.  

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