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KoB2011 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, IUFLA said: But I never compared Miller's overall record to Beard. That's what @KoB2011 isn't seeing. I highlighted one year of Archie's (last year) to one years of Beard's (this year) to support my opinion that Beard was not a "home run" hire. There are very few of those out there, and we're not even in the running for any of them. Is Beard a better coach than Archie? Based on results at P6 schools I think you'd have to give him the edge. I don't think he's a "massive upgrade." He's had a few mediocre years. And I think for the amount of money we'd have to throw at him to get him to Bloomington, which would get his salary at the level of the "home runs" we're not getting the sure thing some believe. Yeah that's just the thing, you're the only person on the planet who doesn't think 25 wins/year and an E8, Runner Up, cancelled tournament, and what could very well be an E8 again this year isn't a massive upgrade over Archie. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, IU247 said: What game did he tweet that about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leathernecks Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Yeah that's just the thing, you're the only person on the planet who doesn't think 25 wins/year and an E8, Runner Up, cancelled tournament, and what could very well be an E8 again this year isn't a massive upgrade over Archie. I posted yesterday that I'd be worried about Beard's offense, but even I would say he'd be a homerun hire. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Parakeet Jones said: What game did he tweet that about? Illinois vs Loyola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnRon Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Time to throw Porter Moser's hat into the ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Leathernecks said: I posted yesterday that I'd be worried about Beard's offense, but even I would say he'd be a homerun hire. I think it's fair to have concerns about any candidate, but you don't have to be a perfect candidate to be a massive upgrade from the four years we just had. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said: Illinois vs Loyola Lol. Bizarre. Why didn’t he mention Minnesota’s AD? That might make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 These tweets have just shown that IU is still very relevant. People have sort of forgotten how bad Illinois has been the last 15 years or so. All it takes is like 2 good seasons in a row and everyone forgets the past mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnRon Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, IU247 said: Because the loyola coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: Lol. Bizarre. Why didn’t he mention Minnesota’s AD? That might make sense. Minnesota already knows who they’re hiring. That job search is already narrowed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, DC2345 said: Minnesota already knows who they’re hiring. That job search is already narrowed down. Who did they pick? I missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: Who did they pick? I missed that. Everything points to the SDSU coach 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, BobSaccamanno said: Who did they pick? I missed that. It’s not been announced but it’s basically Brian Dutcher’s job if he takes it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Yeah that's just the thing, you're the only person on the planet who doesn't think 25 wins/year and an E8, Runner Up, cancelled tournament, and what could very well be an E8 again this year isn't a massive upgrade over Archie. 25 wins a year? 18, 18, 27, 31, and 18... Talk about dishonest...in his 5 years he's reach 25+ wins twice...bundling it into an average doesn't tell the whole story... But it was never about if Beard was a better coach than Archie (I gave Beard the edge in the post you quoted) it was about whether he was a sure thing hire. He's getting paid more than all but 3 coaches...Coach K, Calipari, and Jay Wright...those are the sure things...does his record stack up to theirs? The "home run" thing is semantics. In another thread @BGleas says "the Archie hire was widely considered the best hire of the cycle." But he didn't call Archie a " home run" or " sure thing." If you had used that term upon Archie's hire, you'd be staring at a pop up to short right now. And I would agree that at this point Chris Beard probably is the best name left in this hiring cycle. Whether he's s "home run" or "can't miss" would remain to be seen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, CapnRon said: Time to throw Porter Moser's hat into the ring. He's had two good tournament appearances. Otherwise, very pedestrian record. Fired after four seasons at ILL ST when he was above .500 once. Only 187-140 at LC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnRon Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: He's had two good tournament appearances. Otherwise, very pedestrian record. Fired after four seasons at ILL ST when he was above .500 once. Only 187-140 at LC Took loyola to a final four, won the mvc the last 3 years, has a bunch of non 4 and 5 stars making illinois look silly. Clearly this team is well coached. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leathernecks Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, IUFLA said: 25 wins a year? 18, 18, 27, 31, and 18... Talk about dishonest...in his 5 years he's reach 25+ wins twice...bundling it into an average doesn't tell the whole story... But it was never about if Beard was a better coach than Archie (I gave Beard the edge in the post you quoted) it was about whether he was a sure thing hire. He's getting paid more than all but 3 coaches...Coach K, Calipari, and Jay Wright...those are the sure things...does his record stack up to theirs? The "home run" thing is semantics. In another thread @BGleas says "the Archie hire was widely considered the best hire of the cycle." But he didn't call Archie a " home run" or " sure thing." If you had used that term upon Archie's hire, you'd be staring at a pop up to short right now. And I would agree that at this point Chris Beard probably is the best name left in this hiring cycle. Whether he's s "home run" or "can't miss" would remain to be seen... Archie was the best hire of the year, but it was pretty much all mid major hires. He was the most sought after of all of those mid majors, but everyone from that year is below most of the names being discussed for the job this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, IUFLA said: 25 wins a year? 18, 18, 27, 31, and 18... Talk about dishonest...in his 5 years he's reach 25+ wins twice...bundling it into an average doesn't tell the whole story... But it was never about if Beard was a better coach than Archie (I gave Beard the edge in the post you quoted) it was about whether he was a sure thing hire. He's getting paid more than all but 3 coaches...Coach K, Calipari, and Jay Wright...those are the sure things...does his record stack up to theirs? The "home run" thing is semantics. In another thread @BGleas says "the Archie hire was widely considered the best hire of the cycle." But he didn't call Archie a " home run" or " sure thing." If you had used that term upon Archie's hire, you'd be staring at a pop up to short right now. And I would agree that at this point Chris Beard probably is the best name left in this hiring cycle. Whether he's s "home run" or "can't miss" would remain to be seen... He is currently at 94 wins over the last four years, this year he had 3 games (two against TCU) cancelled because of the Texas storm and then last year he had two tournaments cancelled due to Covid. I'm pretty comfortable saying he would average 24-25 wins a year over a 4 year stretch in normal circumstances. Yes, mid 20s wins and deep tournament runs nearly every year would be considered about as close to a home run as you can get. I don't get why this is hard for you other than you still can't accept that Archie didn't work out. You like to harp on people for disingenuous arguments yet you've really dug in on one here. JUST STOP! Seriously man, Beard and Archie don't have comparable resumes in any way. Even your cherry picked years Beard was significantly better than Archie by every neutral measure (16 vs 34 in KenPom, 6 seed vs 11, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Minnesota already knows who they’re hiring. That job search is already narrowed down. If you don't think Dolson knows who he wants I don't know what to tell you. The guessing is for message boards. Dolson knows. Edited March 21, 2021 by Indykev 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, CapnRon said: Took loyola to a final four, won the mvc the last 3 years, has a bunch of non 4 and 5 stars making illinois look silly. Clearly this team is well coached. Oh no doubt. He can coach. His teams are great to watch. I just don't know that he could get the talent level, and get them to play the same way, to consistently compete in the B1G. I think they are just very difficult to play against in a tournament format, but once they've been scouted repeatedly by the same conference coaches, not so sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: He's had two good tournament appearances. Otherwise, very pedestrian record. Fired after four seasons at ILL ST when he was above .500 once. Only 187-140 at LC Yeah, but look at what Loyola was before he got there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Is the Mike Woodson chatter getting real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Indykev said: Is the Mike Woodson chatter getting real? I don't think so. I have no idea what Dolson is thinking, but I just can't imagine a 10 million dollar buyout to fire Archie to hire Woodson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, FritzIam4IU said: I don't think so. I have no idea what Dolson is thinking, but I just can't imagine a 10 million dollar buyout to fire Archie to hire Woodson. I keep telling myself that. Then I keep hearing his name from people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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