Seeking6 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 10 hours ago, KoB2011 said: I'm not convinced of this position, but just to offer another perspective... Why is it a bad thing that a coach, who seemingly wants to make a difference in the lives of young men, targets young men from broken homes and rough backgrounds? And what does it say about us as a fanbase if we cannot accept those type of young men? Again, not convinced of anything, just offering another perspective. Very, very well said. Historically it has worked in several title winning football programs....why not in hoops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 10 hours ago, KoB2011 said: So while I'm certainly not convinced Sampson was bringing in kids from rough backgrounds out of the goodness of his heart, I take major issue with this position if we are going to ardently support Archie. Why is it not okay to take exception to Archie, who is a grown man and extremely well compensated, but it's okay to say kids from rough backgrounds don't deserve a chance here? I can't get on board with that. I agree, but there has to be a cap on chances... Take the case of Teddy Allen He had chance after chance with 3 different schools...Regardless of what was said on his split with Nebraska, I firmly believe that he ran out of chances with Hoiberg...Fred finally saw his team was better off without Allen...and he was right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Very, very well said. Historically it has worked in several title winning football programs....why not in hoops? I think the key part of this is for the coach, administration, support staff, all to be on board with this kind of approach, and not let the kids go unchecked. I am sure that in his position, Badger was able to keep good tabs on the kids he took chances on. On the other hand, Sampson did not. I think John Thompson was the poster child for this kind of approach, and from everything I have ever read about John, a kid absolutely did not want to cross him. To make the commitment to bringing some of these kids in, it has to be all in. I also believe there has to be a limit to how many "taking a chance" types can be on a roster at the same time. If this is the approach, there has to be a lot of good, solid, grounded kids surrounding and helping . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I agree, but there has to be a cap on chances... Take the case of Teddy Allen He had chance after chance with 3 different schools...Regardless of what was said on his split with Nebraska, I firmly believe that he ran out of chances with Hoiberg...Fred finally saw his team was better off without Allen...and he was right... Sadly the CBB landscape is littered with these types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: I think John Thompson was the poster child for this kind of approach, and from everything I have ever read about John, a kid absolutely did not want to cross him. I know very few people in general that would have wanted to cross an angry John Thompson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_puiu Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 11 hours ago, KoB2011 said: I'm not convinced of this position, but just to offer another perspective... Why is it a bad thing that a coach, who seemingly wants to make a difference in the lives of young men, targets young men from broken homes and rough backgrounds? And what does it say about us as a fanbase if we cannot accept those type of young men? Again, not convinced of anything, just offering another perspective. There's zero evidence that Sampson was trying to make their lives better... and lots of evidence he wasn't. His graduation rate before IU was abysmal, and in his short time at IU there were widespread, and consistent problems with academics and behavior outside of school. There was also no outside evidence of accountability that I remember (e.g. player suspensions, mysterious starter X is not playing tonight and we don't know why, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, andy_puiu said: There's zero evidence that Sampson was trying to make their lives better... and lots of evidence he wasn't. His graduation rate before IU was abysmal, and in his short time at IU there were widespread, and consistent problems with academics and behavior outside of school. There was also no outside evidence of accountability that I remember (e.g. player suspensions, mysterious starter X is not playing tonight and we don't know why, etc...) I am pretty sure there was some weed suspensions under Sampson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_puiu Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 you're right. I do remember that, but I also remember rumors that players were not being suspended A) by him, and B) when they were supposed to. i.e. only after repeated failed tests, beyond what was supposed to trigger suspension per school or ncaa policies, and I think it was forced upon him. I'm going only off my memory which could be faulty though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I know very few people in general that would have wanted to cross an angry John Thompson... People can search on their own but John Thompson was very close with DC Kingpin Rayful Edmond....basically said if I ever get wind of you talking with Alonzo or others again it will be it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJack Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 15 hours ago, Bowhunter said: Sampson recruits a lot of broken home kids. Lower academics eTc. He always said he thought his players were like family. Eli Holtman, Jordan Crawford, Jemarcus Ellis, Bud Mackey etc. That kind of culture may have played well on the court and may work at Houston, but it’s not going to cut it here. Samson is a great coach, but he targets a different kind of player. By broken home you mean that some disadvantaged kids simply need a chance, guidance, and a mentor.... I would agree with that 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJack Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, andy_puiu said: There's zero evidence that Sampson was trying to make their lives better... and lots of evidence he wasn't. His graduation rate before IU was abysmal, and in his short time at IU there were widespread, and consistent problems with academics and behavior outside of school. There was also no outside evidence of accountability that I remember (e.g. player suspensions, mysterious starter X is not playing tonight and we don't know why, etc...) Really doesn't matter at this point. Sampson is gone and off having success somewhere else and we've lost to Purdue and missed the tournament for an uncountable amount of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 IDK why sampson is in the discussion. Sampson had a 5 year show clause penalty from the NCAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrangerHoosier Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 2:37 PM, KoB2011 said: Sure, if you want Duke to steal him from us the moment Coach K retires you pay him $5.5M. Nope, I disagree. He'd be getting a $2M/year raise, and be the 3rd highest paid coach in college basketball. Is he worth #1 money? Of course, but he doesn't strike me as a guy solely interested in money. He turned down Oregon money, among others, while still at Butler. If and when Duke, UNC, etc come sniffing around then you renegotiate the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Pitino is a terrible man but a great basketball coach. On verge of taking Iona to tournament. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/college-hoops/rick-pitino-iona-upset-win-sienna-maac-tournament/amp%3ffbclid=IwAR3H_kkFm5Seu4K5lI0C99hfBPEzwc4DEK9sjbTKUALPA4174Zt-NyVUzXI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NCHoosier32 Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 maybe a homeless guy with a really good sign? we need to make a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: maybe a homeless guy with a really good sign? we need to make a change. Is Jerry Faust still around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbp4IU Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Let’s say Porter Moser makes another run at the title again..... Say final 4.... Should IU consider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unexpectedflash Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cbp4IU said: Let’s say Porter Moser makes another run at the title again..... Say final 4.... Should IU consider? No thanks. .500 career record in the MVC and only made the tourney once before this year I think. Plays extremely slow. Teams seem to be like Archie's in that they're all defense and no offense. I want a coach that has shown they coach both sides and has an exciting brand of basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustout Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 I’m thinking it’s gotta be Drew or Beilein at this point. Two proven guys. And Drew has spoken how Baylor is all about football. Matta is solid, but runs a similar philosophy to Archie. Beard is making $4.5mm in his beloved state. Doesn’t seem realistic. Fife, Musselman, Oats, Mack, etc ... too risky right now. IU is in a fragile spot and needs a proven guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, Bustout said: I’m thinking it’s gotta be Drew or Beilein at this point. Two proven guys. And Drew has spoken how Baylor is all about football. Matta is solid, but runs a similar philosophy to Archie. Beard is making $4.5mm in his beloved state. Doesn’t seem realistic. Fife, Musselman, Oats, Mack, etc ... too risky right now. IU is in a fragile spot and needs a proven guy. Agreed. Beilein or Drew seem to be the two names that should show up frequently. If you can't get either one of these two, your just throwing darts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, southsidehoosier said: I heard on Assembly Call that that quote was a joke sent out by Mark Titus. It was from 2010 and he is just making fun of the IU fans. He tweeted out tonight a picture of Stevens in a Red IU sweater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, ephul said: Agreed. Beilein or Drew seem to be the two names that should show up frequently. If you can't get either one of these two, your just throwing darts I am still backing my Beilien pick to stabilize things and get us back in 6 years. I think by year 3 he could have us back to competing for the big ten title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BENDOVER Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 7:09 PM, John S said: Can we all agree that if it ends up being offered to a ‘up and coming young coach’, IU will do a thorough background review including input from ADs, former players, assistants etc? He sure doesnt need to lower fans’ expectations. ...did we not vet Archie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 57 minutes ago, Cbp4IU said: Let’s say Porter Moser makes another run at the title again..... Say final 4.... Should IU consider? Just googled him and google said hell yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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