IU Scott Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Let said: I have been watching him do that crap every season. He could kill the momentum of a 100 ton boulder rolling down a mountain! And another thing. Just because Isso and a lot of coaches do it doesn't make it right! This happens at most programs so it is just not Archie but it does drive me crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, BGleas said: Tough to develop a kid in a few months with the added restrictions of Covid, especially when he comes in completely not ready. I'm also not sure what other position he needs to be put in. When he's in the game he has the ball in his hand and he's a ball screen guard that is constantly in ball screens. I agree and in retrospect he should have probably stayed in HS. His stats point to a player that was possibly overrated but on the filp side he has made some OMG passes in which he created an angle that did not seem to exist and then made the pass. I mean truly elite passes. His quickness and speed are also elite but when you zoom from the defensive basket and then stop at the top of the key or free throw line , and aren’t a big threat to take it to the rim, his athletic advantage is neutralized. I still think Lander will be a very, very good player but it might be late in his Sophomore or Junior year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: This happens at most programs so it is just not Archie but it does drive me crazy Doesn't mean they are right!! It does more than make me crazy! I feel sorry for Lander, but not enough to play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, dgambill said: I hate losing. And I never root for lose...but if we had to lose like this...I just wish it wasn’t on Wed night on BTN against Rutgers when no one was watching. Wish it was prime time weekend game against Purdue so enough people would get pissed off enough to fix this thing. Don't worry, you are likely to get your wish on that in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, IUCrazy2 said: Don't worry, you are likely to get your wish on that in a few days. Saturday on Fox will be in front of the nation to see when UM beats us by 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Saturday on Fox will be in front of the nation to see when UM beats us by 25 I pray it's ONLY 25 I hope for anything less than 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuthruandthru Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 One bright spot tonight, Archie putting in players with a pulse at the end allowed Geronimo to sink some baskets and in turn give me the over on his last made shot on the last possession. If that would have been Rob or Lander I would have been screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Saturday on Fox will be in front of the nation to see when UM beats us by 25 I read numerous posts that Howard can’t coach and it is virtually impossible to win in a coaches second year. IU by 38!! Book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 😔😔😔 it’s not is losing ....it’s HOW we lose that is problematic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macomb hoosier Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 If the over/under is set at 25, I'm strongly considering taking IU on the under. Archie is 0-4 against Michigan with the average margin of victory being 23 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfan93 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Parakeet Jones said: I’ve seen enough. I second this...it’s time to move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 This situation looks like a team that has just given up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundamentals Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 Can someone set up a poll for if IU pays the buyout or brings him back for a 5th year? It would be interesting to see the response. While I want the suffering to be over as quickly as possible, I see IU bringing him back for one more year. The upside of such a move is that the data will be clear to all and common sense will not cause people to see the move as irrational. A coach is hired to win. There are obviously other factors. Archie has all the tools and resources he needs, he just hasn’t been able to move the needle nearly enough in the time he has been here. One of the best comments I’ve read in recent days on this board compared how it just isn’t working for Archie here LIKE it didn’t for Alford at Iowa. In other words, Archie may have success elsewhere but it isn’t here and by now that is crystal clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundamentals Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 Within the last few weeks it has also become obvious the talent on this roster is not on pace with the rest of the conference. The only teams, I believe, with LESS talent than IU: Northwestern Nebraska and maybe Penn State. Yes, Archie is responsible. Case study: who would have predicted Eric Hunter would have been better, or more reliable/consistent, than Phinisee? Out of high school? Nobody. Many of Archie’s recruits have not blossomed or jelled together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundamentals Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 Pay the buyout I guess. IU would only be on the hook until he is re-employed. Just pull the bandaid now so we get ahead of others seeking candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 Tring to think of something good to say...can't. Have a good day fellow losers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, Fundamentals said: Within the last few weeks it has also become obvious the talent on this roster is not on pace with the rest of the conference. The only teams, I believe, with LESS talent than IU: Northwestern Nebraska and maybe Penn State. Yes, Archie is responsible. Case study: who would have predicted Eric Hunter would have been better, or more reliable/consistent, than Phinisee? Out of high school? Nobody. Many of Archie’s recruits have not blossomed or jelled together. Eric Hunter is not more talented. We have talent. What we don’t have is player development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUDan93 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 If it weren't for this forum I doubt I would pay attention to IU basketball. At least you guys are entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDIUFAN Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 hours ago, madmax said: I'm just sad. Nothing else to say. I'm just sad. This is exactly how I feel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo123 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 Remember that contract the players at Indiana have that basically makes them in charge. It shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 there's just no reason to play Rob at this point. he's clearly not helping us win. i don't really think Lander can either, but we need a PG. obviously we can give Rob's minutes to literally anyone. Hunter, Leal, Galloway. i'm not crazy about them either, but they would give us more on the offensive end than Rob and at this point just let them play PG by committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 also, we do realize it is very reasonable to think we're going to finish 10th or 11th out of 14 in our conference, right? think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 hours ago, BGleas said: I don't have the answer, I just think almost every coach does this. It's not like it's an Archie thing, they almost all do this. I'd have to guess a lot of it comes from bench players being much more comfortable knowing when they're going in, not sitting there wondering when they'll go in, why they haven't yet, etc., etc. I think that works better in the NBA though because the games are longer and you have to pace guys during the season. and unnecessary in college and HS, but most are going to it at both levels from what i see. frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 hours ago, BGleas said: I don't have the answer, I just think almost every coach does this. It's not like it's an Archie thing, they almost all do this. I'd have to guess a lot of it comes from bench players being much more comfortable knowing when they're going in, not sitting there wondering when they'll go in, why they haven't yet, etc., etc. I think that works better in the NBA though because the games are longer and you have to pace guys during the season. i also think sometimes it's a cop out because everyone whines about getting pulled out when they make a mistake so it shakes their confidence. weak. if you don't play well, expect to come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said: Eric Hunter is not more talented. We have talent. What we don’t have is player development You know what is funny about that... Check the date when that was posted. I understand that the school and program have to promote what they can, but that is like going to your biggest critics house, dropping pants in front of him, and telling him to kiss your butt. It just riles him up more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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